On a silly electric field question.

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The discussion revolves around calculating the electric field intensity at a midpoint (O) between two charged particles, one with charge +q and the other with charge +2q, separated by a distance of 2r. Participants are exploring the implications of charge interactions and the principle of superposition in electric fields.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of electric fields due to multiple charges and question the cancellation of fields based on charge signs. There is confusion regarding the vector nature of electric fields and whether to add or subtract them based on their directions.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on considering the direction of electric fields when summing them. There is an ongoing exploration of the mathematical setup and the assumptions regarding charge interactions, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants have noted potential misunderstandings regarding the signs of the charges and the implications for the electric field at point O. There is also mention of using a fictitious charge for calculations, which raises further questions about the method of analysis.

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Homework Statement


This question is actually the simplification of a more complicated one. A particle of charge +q is placed at a point A while another particle of charge +2q is placed at B, a distance of 2r to the right of A. The midpoint between the distance is denoted as O. What is the electric field intensity at O ?


Homework Equations


E=F/q


The Attempt at a Solution


Honestly, if particle A has a charge of +q and if B has a charge of +q, then the electric field at O ought to be zero as they cancel each other out. But I can't understand it mathematically. Suppose I consider the electric field at point O due to the particle at A, then it's electric field E(A)=(kq)/(r^2) and the electric field at point O due to particle B E(B)=(k2q)/(r^2) where k=(1/4∏ε0) Hence the total electric field E(T)=E(A)+E(B)=(3kq)/(r^2) ? Isn't it supposedly zero ? One might say that I ought to subtract them, but my textbook says that the electric field due to multiple charges is the vector sum of the individual electric fields. (Like the principle of superposition). Please advise on my mistake. Thank you.

 
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Correction: What I meant to say was "Honestly, if particle A has a charge of +q and if B has a charge of -q, then the electric field at O ought to be zero as they cancel each other out."
 
physikamateur said:

Homework Statement


This question is actually the simplification of a more complicated one. A particle of charge +q is placed at a point A while another particle of charge +2q is placed at B, a distance of 2r to the right of A. The midpoint between the distance is denoted as O. What is the electric field intensity at O ?

Homework Equations


E=F/q

The Attempt at a Solution


Honestly, if particle A has a charge of +q and if B has a charge of +q, then the electric field at O ought to be zero as they cancel each other out. But I can't understand it mathematically. Suppose I consider the electric field at point O due to the particle at A, then it's electric field E(A)=(kq)/(r^2) and the electric field at point O due to particle B E(B)=(k2q)/(r^2) where k=(1/4∏ε0) Hence the total electric field E(T)=E(A)+E(B)=(3kq)/(r^2) ? Isn't it supposedly zero ? One might say that I ought to subtract them, but my textbook says that the electric field due to multiple charges is the vector sum of the individual electric fields. (Like the principle of superposition). Please advise on my mistake. Thank you.

You have only considered the magnitude of the electrics field. The electric field due to one of the charges is in a direction directly opposite of the field due to the other, so the magnitudes subtract as the vectors add.
 
Understood. But in finding the electric field at O while working the equations, do I consider a ficticious charge to be present at O say q1 so that E(A)=[((k)(q)(q1))/(r^2)]/(q1) and the q1 cancels off to give E(A)=(kq)/(r^2) ? Moreover pertaining to the initial question, the electric field at O (E) due to +2q and +q is: E=(3kq)/(r^2) ?? Since both are positively charged and the addition of the vectors does not subtract ??
 
physikamateur said:
Correction: What I meant to say was "Honestly, if particle A has a charge of +q and if B has a charge of -q, then the electric field at O ought to be zero as they cancel each other out."

No.You consider that there is a +q at O.So the one has a charge of +q one would push it away(eh,do you call it like that in English), whereas the one with the charge of -q would pull it towards itself.So both the vectors are the same way.You take the sum of it.
 

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