On: What is the Probability of 53 Sundays in an Ordinary Year?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the probability of an ordinary (non-leap) year containing 53 Sundays. Participants explore the conditions under which this occurs, considering various starting days of the year and the implications of the calendar structure.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks for clarification on the probability of having 53 Sundays in an ordinary year.
  • Another participant questions the conditions under which an ordinary year would have 53 Sundays, specifically referencing the starting day of the year.
  • A different participant suggests that if a year starts on a Sunday or a Monday, it could affect the count of Sundays, proposing a rough estimate of 1/7 for the likelihood of starting on any given day.
  • Another contribution explains that an ordinary year consists of 365 days, which translates to 52 weeks and 1 extra day. This extra day could potentially be a Sunday, leading to the possibility of having 53 Sundays if the year starts on a Sunday.
  • This participant further elaborates on the concept by discussing an imaginary 364-day year and how the remainder affects the count of Sundays, ultimately concluding that the probability of starting the year on a Sunday is 1/7.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints regarding the conditions for having 53 Sundays, with no consensus reached on the overall probability or the implications of different starting days.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the distribution of starting days in the calendar year are made, but these are not fully explored or resolved. The discussion also relies on the simplification of a 364-day year for illustrative purposes.

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Hi,

What is the chance that an ordinary year selected at random contains53 Sundays.

How to work it.

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Suganya

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If by ordinary year you mean non-leap year, then under what circumstances will a year have 53 Sundays?
 
What if the year starts on a Sunday? What if it starts on a Monday? How often does it start on each day in a given calendar (just assume 1/7 for a first estimate)?
 
Well, a general year here is 365 days. Dividing it into weeks (by 7) would leave a remainder of 1. Where there would be 52 weeks and 1 day. We can assume that those 52 weeks would mean 52 Sundays (now working with an imaginary 364 day-year, just because it doesn't leave the remainder of 1). To have the 53 Sundays is when the remainder of 1 comes in. Suppose you had our imaginary year of 364 days and let's say it began on a Monday, thus neatly ending on a Sunday. Should we add the remainder of 1 at the end, there will be an extra Monday (Monday now = 53). To be more relevant to your case, it would be easier to start this with a 364 day-year that ended with a Saturday, and thus began with a Sunday. (Imagine moving a 364 day interval left, which is set on a continuous background of Monday-Sunday cycles). So now we add the remainder, to get 365 days, and we have a Sunday at the end (Sunday now = 53). Should we move this year left, it will be a year that starts with a Saturday and ends with a Saturday (original Sunday still contained, but the one at the end is cut off, now Sunday = 52). We could have started this by adding that remainder to the beginning of the year, and it wouldn't have made a difference. Point is, a 365 day year begins with the same day it ends. That last day makes a day of the week = 53, compared to the other 6/7 days which are at 52. Thus the question can be reduced to - "What are the chances that a year starts with a Sunday?".(assuming you mean a non-leap year). There are 7 choices, hence 1/7. Hope I'm right, as I'm half asleep.
 

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