One-dimensional lattice (electrostatics)

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The discussion revolves around a problem related to electrostatics, specifically focusing on the potential energy of charges in a one-dimensional lattice configuration. The original poster expresses uncertainty about their representation of the lattice and seeks clarification on the concept of potential energy for a single charge.

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  • Participants discuss the definition of potential energy in the context of electrostatics, questioning the relationship between potential and potential energy. There is an exploration of how to calculate the energy required to construct a lattice of charges, with references to summing contributions from pairs of charges.

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Participants are actively engaging with the concepts, with some providing clarifications on potential energy and its calculation. There is an ongoing exploration of how to express the potential energy in terms of the lattice structure, and multiple interpretations of the original question are being considered.

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The original poster is attempting to understand the implications of building a one-dimensional lattice and the associated energy calculations, while also grappling with the definitions and equations relevant to the problem.

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Hey guys.
So, I got this question in the pic.
First of all, I drew what I think to be a one-dimensional lattice (in the green box) but I'm not sure, is it right?
Second of all, I don't really understand the question, I mean I know that a potential energy of charge q is V(r) = kq/r when you say of curse that v(infinity) = 0 but what do they mean by a "potential energy of a single charge"?

Thanks in advance.


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asi123 said:
First of all, I drew what I think to be a one-dimensional lattice (in the green box) but I'm not sure, is it right?
Your 1D lattice looks good to me.
asi123 said:
Second of all, I don't really understand the question, I mean I know that a potential energy of charge q is V(r) = kq/r when you say of curse that v(infinity) = 0 but what do they mean by a "potential energy of a single charge"?
You should be careful here, you have made a very common mistake. The potential of a point charge is given by the equation you quote. However, the potential energy is given by a different equation and corresponds to the work done moving a charge from infinity (or any other arbitrarily fixed point) to it's current location. For more information see here: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/Hbase/electric/elepe.html#c3

Do you follow?
 
Hootenanny said:
Your 1D lattice looks good to me.

You should be careful here, you have made a very common mistake. The potential of a point charge is given by the equation you quote. However, the potential energy is given by a different equation and corresponds to the work done moving a charge from infinity (or any other arbitrarily fixed point) to it's current location. For more information see here: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/Hbase/electric/elepe.html#c3

Do you follow?

Yeah I follow.
I know this kind of questions (how much energy does it take to build a sphere and such...)
However, I don't understand the question, is it, how much energy does it take to build this kind of lattice?

Thanks again.
 
asi123 said:
Yeah I follow.
I know this kind of questions (how much energy does it take to build a sphere and such...)
However, I don't understand the question, is it, how much energy does it take to build this kind of lattice?

Thanks again.
Yes you are correct, the potential energy of a system of charges is basically the energy required to build up the system (i.e. bring each charge from infinity to it's current position). This concept can be formalised as a sum (for N particles):

[tex]U = \kappa\sum_{\stackrel{i,j=1}{i\neq j}}^N \frac{q_iq_j}{\mathbf{r}_{ij}}[/tex]

Where qi and qj are the charge of the ith and jth particle respectively. And rij is the relative position vector (or the separation distance in the 1D case) of the two particles. It is important to note that the sum excludes the case when the indices are equal.

In your case, we have an infinite lattice and hence an infinite sum. This is where the hint in the question comes in handy. Can you write rij in terms of b?
 
Hootenanny said:
Yes you are correct, the potential energy of a system of charges is basically the energy required to build up the system (i.e. bring each charge from infinity to it's current position). This concept can be formalised as a sum (for N particles):

[tex]U = \kappa\sum_{\stackrel{i,j=1}{i\neq j}}^N \frac{q_iq_j}{\mathbf{r}_{ij}}[/tex]

Where qi and qj are the charge of the ith and jth particle respectively. And rij is the relative position vector (or the separation distance in the 1D case) of the two particles. It is important to note that the sum excludes the case when the indices are equal.

In your case, we have an infinite lattice and hence an infinite sum. This is where the hint in the question comes in handy. Can you write rij in terms of b?

Well, I was thinking about something like that:

The potential caused by two nearest charges:
V1 = -kq^2/b * 2
(multiply by 2 because there are two nearest charges)

Then the potential caused by two next charges:
V2 = kq^2/(2b) *2
(it's positive, because they have same sign)

And then:
V3 = -kq^2/(3b) *2
V4 = kq^2/(4b) *2
.
.
.

And sum all of these potential energy,
Vtot = V1 + V2 + V3 + ...
Vtot = 2*kq^2/b (-1+1/2-1/3+1/4-1/5+...)

Is this right?

Thanks a lot BTW
 

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