One more: three block, a table, and a pulley

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The problem involves a system of blocks on a table connected by a string over a pulley, with one block hanging off the edge. The original poster seeks to determine the speed of the hanging block and the time it takes to descend a specified distance, given the masses of the blocks and the coefficients of friction.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to use work-energy principles and kinematics to solve for the speed and time, but encounters discrepancies in their calculations. Other participants suggest considering the kinetic energy of all blocks involved and using force analysis as an alternative approach.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different methods to approach the problem, with some guidance provided regarding the importance of accounting for all kinetic energies in the system. There is a suggestion that standard kinematics could be applicable for finding time, indicating a potential direction for further exploration.

Contextual Notes

Participants are discussing the implications of friction and the setup of the problem, with an emphasis on ensuring all relevant forces and energies are considered in the calculations. There is no explicit consensus on the correct method yet, as participants are still analyzing the problem.

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Homework Statement



There is a table with a 6.9 kg box and a 5 kg box on it, connected by a string. The string goes around a pulley on the corner of the table, between the 5 kg box and a 35 kg box which it holds up. The coefficient of friction is .55 b/w the table and 6.9 kg box and .33 b/w table and 5 kg box. After releasing the system from rest, the 35 kg box descends .2 m. I need to find the speed of the 35 kg mass and the time it takes to drop .2 m.

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The Attempt at a Solution



I solved the first part of the question, which asked for the work done against friction. The answer is 10.6722 J. In my attempt at speed, I took the potential energy of the mass (35 x 9.8 x .2), subtracted the work done against friction, and set the answer equal to the kinetic energy at the end, but the resulting velocity was wrong. I'm sure I can just use kinematics to find time once I get the final velocity?
 
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I tried the problem using forces to get the acceleration and then kinematics to find velocity and got the same wrong answer. What am I missing?
 
You have this expression:

[tex] \Delta KE + \Delta PE = W^{\mathrm{NC}}[/tex]

We can rewrite this as (as you have, intuitively):

[tex] KE_{\mathrm{hanging block}} + KE_{\mathrm{sliding blocks}} = PE_{\mathrm{hanging block}} - W_{\mathrm{friction}}[/tex]

I suspect that in your calculations you have forgotten to take into account the kinetic energy of the blocks still on the table. However, this would be more straightforward to solve with forces.
 
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That would be it. Thank you. I assume standard kinematics can be used to find the time?
 
By "standard," if you mean constant acceleration, then yes.
 

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