Only half the Earth’s ionosphere is being ionized by the Sun

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of the Earth's ionosphere being ionized by solar radiation, specifically questioning why only half of the Earth’s ionosphere is affected at any given time. Participants explore the implications of Earth's rotation and visibility in relation to this ionization process.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether the Earth's rotation is the reason for only half of the ionosphere being ionized.
  • There is a suggestion that if the Earth did not rotate, it might change the proportion of the ionosphere that is ionized.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of considering the visibility of the Earth from the Sun's perspective to understand the ionization process.
  • Another participant mentions that the body of the thread should include references to credible sources, especially when discussing scientific topics.
  • A participant provides a link to a source about the ionosphere but questions why it is specifically half that is ionized.
  • There is a discussion about using analogies, such as a tennis ball illuminated by a light source, to illustrate the concept of illumination and ionization.
  • Some participants express agreement with the idea that at any given time, half of the Earth is exposed to solar radiation while the other half is not.
  • One participant notes that the amount of high-energy radiation from sources other than the Sun is minimal.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that at any given time, only half of the Earth is exposed to solar radiation, which contributes to the ionization of the ionosphere. However, there remains uncertainty regarding the implications of Earth's rotation and whether it affects the proportion of ionization.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the need for clarity regarding definitions and assumptions related to the ionization process and the visibility of the Earth from the Sun's perspective. There are unresolved questions about the role of Earth's rotation in this context.

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What is the reason for this? Is it because of the Earth's rotation?
 
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Rod Alexei said:
What is the reason for this? Is it because of the Earth's rotation?
If the Earth did not rotate would that change the "half" to another value?
 
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Rod Alexei said:
What is the reason for this? Is it because of the Earth's rotation?
Hi Rod, please post your source for this so that everyone can read it. Thank you.
 
256bits said:
If the Earth did not rotate would that change the "half" to another value?

indeed !

@Rod Alexei ... have another try ... think about it from an Earth visibility point of view ...

do you now see the reason ? :smile:Dave
 
Evo said:
Hi Rod, please post your source for this so that everyone can read it. Thank you.

His thread title is correct
He is asking why ... he just has a misunderstanding of the real reason ... which is what 256bits and myself are trying to coax out of him :wink:
 
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davenn said:
he just has a misunderstanding of the real reason ... which is what 256bits and myself are trying to coax out of him :wink:
Which is why I asked for the source, it often solves the problem.
 
Evo said:
Which is why I asked for the source, it often solves the problem.

I don't think there is a "source" as such ... he's just asking "Is it because of the Earth's rotation"
as in ... I wonder if this is the reason ...
He didn't state ... " I read somewhere that ..." making asking for a source valid

256bit has given a reason why it isn't by getting him to think about a non rotating Earth situation :smile:

Dave
 
davenn said:
I don't think there is a "source" as such
Exactly, that might be his first clue that his thinking is wrong. I guess I could word it "Have you actually read this anywhere?" But we ask for sources, because many times, people actually come up with some oddball website that they were reading and we need to explain why it's wrong. Or they read a valid website or book, but they misunderstood what they read. I find it best not to assume that they didn't read, see, or hear something that triggered the thought.

Btw, when a thread is started it should be fleshed out with reference to an acceptable source unless it is a well known topic. The body of the thread shouldn't be in the title. And fleshing out the thread with all of the facts becomes a learning thread for other members.

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Rod Alexei said:
Why is it half not any other value ?

did you read 256bit's comment and ponder it ? ... it seems not
here it is again ...
256bits said:
If the Earth did not rotate would that change the "half" to another value?

and my comment
davenn said:
@Rod Alexei ... have another try ... think about it from an Earth visibility point of view ...

do you now see the reason ? :smile:

get a tennis ball, baseball etc ... what do you notice about the illumination of the ball if held in front of a lit light globe ?

and all your answers are in that link you provided

Dave
 
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Here's my second try. Thanks for your replies !
I assume the tennis ball would be the earth, and the lit globe would be the sun.
Only half the tennis ball would be illuminated. (I guess)
 
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Could it be because at a given time, half of the Earth is exposed to solar radiation and the other half is not?
 
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Well I think I have to agree.
 
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There is, but the amount of high energy radiation coming from sources other than the Sun is tiny.
 
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Rod Alexei said:
Only half the tennis ball would be illuminated. (I guess)

exactly :smile:
... so it doesn't matter if the Earth rotates on it's axis or not, only ~1/2 is illuminated

The important thing to note is that what the ionisation is doing to the ionosphere's different layers during the day
compared to the absence of that ionising effect at niteDave
 

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