Open Balls in a Normed Vector Space .... Carothers, Exercise 32

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This discussion focuses on Exercise 32 from N. L. Carothers' "Real Analysis," specifically regarding the concept of open balls in a normed vector space. The exercise involves proving the inclusion relationships between the open ball centered at a point and the translation of the open ball centered at the origin. Participants clarify the definitions and provide formal proofs using the axioms of normed vector spaces, concluding that both inclusions, \( B_r(x) \subseteq x + B_r(0) \) and \( x + B_r(0) \subseteq B_r(x) \), hold true.

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I am reading N. L. Carothers' book: "Real Analysis". ... ...

I am focused on Chapter 3: Metrics and Norms ... ...

I need help Exercise 32 on page 46 ... ... Exercise 32 reads as follows:

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I have not been able to make much progress ...

We have ...$$B_r(x) = \{ y \in M \ : \ d(x, y) \lt r \}$$

... and ...

$$B_r(0) = \{ y \in M \ : \ d(0, y) \lt r \}$$... and ...$$x + B_r(0) = x + \{ y \in M \ : \ d(0, y) \lt r \}$$But ... how do we formally proceed from here ...
Hope that someone can help ...

Peter===================================================================================

The above post refers to/involves the notion of an open ball ... so I am providing Carothers' definition of the same ... as follows:
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The above post also refers to/involves the notion of a normed vector space ... so I am providing Carothers' definition of the same ... as follows:
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View attachment 9204Hope that helps ...

Peter
 

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Given $x,y\in V$, let $z = y-x$. Then $$y \in B_r(x) \Longrightarrow \|y-x\|<r \Longrightarrow \|z\|<r \Longrightarrow z\in B_r(0) \Longrightarrow y = x+z \in x + B_r(0).$$ Therefore $B_r(x) \subseteq x + B_r(0)$. That argument also works in the opposite direction, giving the reverse inclusion in the same way.
 
Opalg said:
Given $x,y\in V$, let $z = y-x$. Then $$y \in B_r(x) \Longrightarrow \|y-x\|<r \Longrightarrow \|z\|<r \Longrightarrow z\in B_r(0) \Longrightarrow y = x+z \in x + B_r(0).$$ Therefore $B_r(x) \subseteq x + B_r(0)$. That argument also works in the opposite direction, giving the reverse inclusion in the same way.
Hi Opalg ...

Thanks for the help ...

... but ... just a clarification ...

You write:

" ... ... $$z\in B_r(0) \Longrightarrow y = x+z \in x + B_r(0)$$ ... ... "I am somewhat perplexed as to how we justify (or even interpret ...) the above statement ... how do you justify it based solely on the axioms of a normed vector space and the basics of set theory ... indeed ... what does the statement ... ... $$y = x+z \in x + B_r(0)$$ ... ... mean exactly ...
My thoughts are as follows ...

$$y = x + z$$

$$\Longrightarrow y = x \ + $$ ... a particular element of the set $$B_r(0)$$

$$\Longrightarrow$$ ... (means ... ) ... $$y \in x + B_r(0)$$Is that correct ... am I interpreting things correctly ...?

Regarding the reverse argument ... my thoughts are as follows:

$$y \in x + B_r(0)$$

$$\Longrightarrow y = x + z $$ where $$z \in B_r(0)$$

$$\Longrightarrow y - x = z$$ where $$z \in B_r(0)$$But $$\| z \| \lt r$$

$$\Longrightarrow \| y - x \| \lt r$$

$$\Longrightarrow y \in B_x(r)$$ Is that correct?Hope you can help further ...

Peter
 
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Peter said:
You write:

" ... ... $$z\in B_r(0) \Longrightarrow y = x+z \in x + B_r(0)$$ ... ... "I am somewhat perplexed as to how we justify (or even interpret ...) the above statement ... how do you justify it based solely on the axioms of a normed vector space and the basics of set theory ... indeed ... what does the statement ... ... $$y = x+z \in x + B_r(0)$$ ... ... mean exactly ...
My thoughts are as follows ...

$$y = x + z$$

$$\Longrightarrow y = x \ + $$ ... a particular element of the set $$B_r(0)$$

$$\Longrightarrow$$ ... (means ... ) ... $$y \in x + B_r(0)$$Is that correct ... am I interpreting things correctly ...?
That is correct. In fact, in the statement of Exercise 32, Carothers defines $x+B_r(0)$ to mean $\{x+y:\|y\|<r\}$:
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Peter said:
Regarding the reverse argument ... my thoughts are as follows:

$$y \in x + B_r(0)$$

$$\Longrightarrow y = x + z $$ where $$z \in B_r(0)$$

$$\Longrightarrow y - x = z$$ where $$z \in B_r(0)$$But $$\| z \| \lt r$$

$$\Longrightarrow \| y - x \| \lt r$$

$$\Longrightarrow y \in B_x(r)$$ Is that correct?
For the reverse inclusion $x+B_r(0) \subseteq B_r(x)$, you need to start with an element $z\in B_r(0)$. Then $$z\in B_r(0) \Longrightarrow \|z\|<r \Longrightarrow \|x-(x+z)\|<r \Longrightarrow x+z\in B_r(x).$$
 

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Opalg said:
That is correct. In fact, in the statement of Exercise 32, Carothers defines $x+B_r(0)$ to mean $\{x+y:\|y\|<r\}$:
For the reverse inclusion $x+B_r(0) \subseteq B_r(x)$, you need to start with an element $z\in B_r(0)$. Then $$z\in B_r(0) \Longrightarrow \|z\|<r \Longrightarrow \|x-(x+z)\|<r \Longrightarrow x+z\in B_r(x).$$
Thanks Opalg ...

Still thinking over the reverse inclusion proof ...

Peter
 

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