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The discussion revolves around the concept of "operators" as used in quantum physics, particularly in the context of a video lecture series and a textbook that do not provide explanations for the term. Participants explore whether it is feasible to understand quantum mechanics without prior knowledge of operators.

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  • One participant notes that operators are used in a video lecture series without explanation, questioning the assumption that students can grasp the material without understanding operators.
  • Another participant asserts that operators can be understood as functions, specifically linear functions that apply to vector spaces.
  • A further elaboration indicates that operators map vectors in a vector space to other vectors, with a focus on their representation in quantum mechanics as matrices.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of operators and their role in understanding quantum mechanics. There is no consensus on whether the lack of explanation for operators in educational materials is acceptable or whether it hinders comprehension.

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The discussion highlights the absence of definitions and explanations for operators in certain educational resources, which may lead to confusion among learners. The interpretations of operators as functions and their linearity are presented without resolving the implications for understanding quantum mechanics.

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I started watching the video lecture series here: https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/physics/8-04-quantum-physics-i-spring-2016/video-lectures/part-1/ I notice that they use the term "operator" without first explaining it. Operators are also not explained (in fact they are not even mentioned) in my course litterature (Physics for Scientists and Engineers, 6th Edition by Paul A. Tipler (Author), Gene Mosca).

Since operators are not explained, it seems one is supposed to understand the subject without knowledge about them? Is it possible?
 
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Technon said:
I started watching the video lecture series here: https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/physics/8-04-quantum-physics-i-spring-2016/video-lectures/part-1/ I notice that they use the term "operator" without first explaining it. Operators are also not explained (in fact they are not even mentioned) in my course litterature (Physics for Scientists and Engineers, 6th Edition by Paul A. Tipler (Author), Gene Mosca).

Since operators are not explained, it seems one is supposed to understand the subject without knowledge about them? Is it possible?
Lecture Notes: first document, first page (after introduction)!
 
So operators are just functions
 
Technon said:
So operators are just functions
Yes, and usually linear functions. That is they apply to vector spaces. One (normally) says operator instead of transformation, if this vector space itself consists of functions, e.g. smooth functions, or continuous functions, or as in QM square integrable functions. E.g. if we consider ##V=C^\infty (\mathbb{R})## the vector space of all smooth functions in one real variable, then ##D=\dfrac{d}{dx}\, : \,f \longmapsto f\,' ## is such a (linear) operator, the differential operator.

Have a read: https://www.physicsforums.com/insights/tell-operations-operators-functionals-representations-apart/
 
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Technon said:
So operators are just functions

fresh_42 said:
Yes, and usually linear functions.

With an appropriate interpretation of the term "functions", yes. An operator on a vector space is a mapping of the vector space into itself, i.e., it maps every vector in the vector space into another vector in the vector space (which might, in some cases, be the same vector).

I say this because operators in QM, which are always linear, are often represented by matrices, and most people don't intuitively thing of matrices and functions as being the same thing.
 

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