Opposite Electrical Charge: Particle Attraction

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the mechanics of particle motion due to opposite electrical charges, specifically exploring what initiates their acceleration towards each other. The conversation includes analogies and references to classical and quantum physics concepts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions what sets two oppositely charged particles in motion, using an analogy of balls in a tube to illustrate the concept.
  • Another participant explains that the attractive electrical force between the particles causes them to accelerate towards each other, comparing it to the repulsive force of air molecules on the balls.
  • A different participant reiterates the initial question and argues that the analogy represents the same force at play, suggesting that the repulsion between air molecules and the balls is relevant.
  • One participant emphasizes the need to understand why particles accelerate and mentions virtual particle exchange as a concept they are trying to grasp.
  • Another participant advises against delving into virtual particle exchange, suggesting it is too complex for the current discussion and asserting that classical physics suffices to explain the acceleration due to force.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relevance and complexity of virtual particle exchange, with some advocating for a classical understanding while others seek deeper explanations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the necessity and implications of virtual particles in explaining particle acceleration.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the understanding of classical versus quantum physics, and the implications of virtual particles are not fully explored or agreed upon.

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If you have two particles of opposite electrical charge in proximity, what actually sets them in motion? As a an analogy, if you have two balls in either end of a tube and remove the air between them, outside pressure will push them together. What is the equivalent process at the particle level?
 
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The particles exert an attractive electrical force on each other, resulting in an acceleration of each particle towards the other. In your example, the air molecules exerts a repulsive force on the balls when they collide with them, which pushes them together.

See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coulomb's_law
 
Curt Evans said:
If you have two particles of opposite electrical charge in proximity, what actually sets them in motion? As a an analogy, if you have two balls in either end of a tube and remove the air between them, outside pressure will push them together.
That is not an analogy, but an example of the very same force. The electrons in the air atoms and the ball atoms are repelling each other.
 
Drakkith said:
The particles exert an attractive electrical force on each other, resulting in an acceleration of each particle towards the other. In your example, the air molecules exerts a repulsive force on the balls when they collide with them, which pushes them together.

See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coulomb's_law

The question is why do they accelerate. The provided some information on virtual particle exchange, that's what I'm trying to get my head around.
 
Curt Evans said:
The question is why do they accelerate. The provided some information on virtual particle exchange, that's what I'm trying to get my head around.

Don't even try to wrap your head around virtual particle exchange. It's so far beyond your current level of physics that you have no hope of understanding it. Stick with the classical understanding for now. Not to mention that it really doesn't explain why particles accelerate any more than classical physics does, it only elaborates on how the interaction between two particles works and enables us to make more accurate predictions at the atomic and subatomic level.

In the end the two particles accelerate because they feel a force from each other. Applying a force to an object causes it to accelerate. It's literally as simple as that, and trying to find a "deeper" understanding is pointless. You won't find one because it doesn't exist, and not even understanding virtual particles will change this.
 

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