Optics Convolution Homework: Finite Sinusoidal Aperture Function

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The discussion revolves around the convolution of a sinusoidal aperture function, a(x) = 1 + sin(wx), with a top-hat aperture function, b(x), defined over a specific range. Participants are exploring the expected outcome of this convolution and its implications regarding the resulting function's behavior outside a finite interval.

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  • Participants discuss the convolution integral and its implications, questioning whether the convolution results in a function that is zero outside a certain range. There is confusion about the interpretation of the functions involved and the nature of the convolution operation compared to multiplication.

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There is ongoing exploration of the convolution process, with some participants providing insights into the mathematical properties of convolution and its expected outcomes. Questions remain about the assumptions made regarding the behavior of the resulting function, particularly its non-zero nature outside a finite interval.

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Participants note potential confusion regarding the definitions of the functions involved and the implications of the convolution operation. There is a recognition that the original expectations about the output function may not align with the mathematical results derived from the convolution.

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Homework Statement


According to my notes, if we have a sinusoidal aperture/transmission function of the form a(x)=1+sin(wx) and a 'top-hat' aperture function given by b(x)=1, -0.5d≤x≤0.5d, b(x)=0 otherwise, then their convolution should give a finite sinusoidal aperture function, i.e sinusoidal but only over a certain range - outside of this it is zero.

Homework Equations


Convolution of a(x) and b(x) is ∫-∞a(y)b(x-y)dy

The Attempt at a Solution


We need ∫-∞[1+sin(wy)]b(x-y)dy, and my thinking is that the integrand is zero everywhere apart from between x-0.5d and x+0.5d, where it is simply [1+sin(wy)]. Then the convolution integral reduces to ∫x-0.5dx+0.5d[1+sin(wy)]dy giving a-{cos[w(x+d/2)]+cos[w(x-d/2)]}/w which is not the finite sinusoidal aperture function I've been told I should get. Is this right?
 
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The convolution of a signal with a "box" is not the signal restricted to a specific range. If you want that, you have to multiply the two functions.
"a" seems to have two different meanings which is confusing.
 
mfb said:
The convolution of a signal with a "box" is not the signal restricted to a specific range. If you want that, you have to multiply the two functions.
"a" seems to have two different meanings which is confusing.

Changed a to d, didn't realize that.

I'm not clear - the function b(x-y) is a box centred on y=x with width d, right? Then the integrand [1+sin(wy)]b(x-y) surely vanishes everywhere but for where the box is non-zero, and so basically we can write b(x-y)=1 as long as we integrate over the box, from x-0.5d to x+0.5d. Then I just do the integral. I'm not sure what you mean...
 
physiks said:

Homework Statement


According to my notes, if we have a sinusoidal aperture/transmission function of the form a(x)=1+sin(wx) and a 'top-hat' aperture function given by b(x)=1, -0.5d≤x≤0.5d, b(x)=0 otherwise, then their convolution should give a finite sinusoidal aperture function, i.e sinusoidal but only over a certain range - outside of this it is zero.

Homework Equations


Convolution of a(x) and b(x) is ∫-∞a(y)b(x-y)dy

The Attempt at a Solution


We need ∫-∞[1+sin(wy)]b(x-y)dy, and my thinking is that the integrand is zero everywhere apart from between x-0.5d and x+0.5d, where it is simply [1+sin(wy)]. Then the convolution integral reduces to ∫x-0.5dx+0.5d[1+sin(wy)]dy giving a-{cos[w(x+d/2)]+cos[w(x-d/2)]}/w which is not the finite sinusoidal aperture function I've been told I should get. Is this right?

Yes, except for a sign. If ##C(x)## is the convolution we have
C(x) = a+\frac{\cos(wx - wa/2) -\cos(wx+wa/2)}{w}
However, using standard trigonometric additional formulas, this can be manipulated to give ##C(x) = a + K \sin(w x)##, where ##K## is some constant that I will leave you to compute.

Note, however: the formula for ##C(x)## applies on the whole real line ## -\infty < x < +\infty##; it does not vanish outside of some finite interval. This follows from the fact that
C(x) = \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} a(y) b(x-y) \, dy = \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} a(x-y) b(y) \, dy
(by a simple change of variables). The second form gives
C(x) = \int_{-a/2}^{a/2} [1 + \sin(w(x-y)) \, dy
 
Ray Vickson said:
Yes, except for a sign. If ##C(x)## is the convolution we have
C(x) = a+\frac{\cos(wx - wa/2) -\cos(wx+wa/2)}{w}
However, using standard trigonometric additional formulas, this can be manipulated to give ##C(x) = a + K \sin(w x)##, where ##K## is some constant that I will leave you to compute.

Note, however: the formula for ##C(x)## applies on the whole real line ## -\infty < x < +\infty##; it does not vanish outside of some finite interval. This follows from the fact that
C(x) = \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} a(y) b(x-y) \, dy = \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} a(x-y) b(y) \, dy
(by a simple change of variables). The second form gives
C(x) = \int_{-a/2}^{a/2} [1 + \sin(w(x-y)) \, dy

Thanks for your reply! So my notes say that it should give me a sinusoidal function, BUT, only over a finite interval - so we agree that they must be wrong then?
 

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