Optimization: Rectangle Inscribed in Triangle

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The discussion revolves around optimizing the area of a rectangle inscribed within a triangle, referencing a specific problem from an external source. Participants explore the necessity of using derivatives versus completing the square to find maximum values related to the rectangle's dimensions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between using derivatives and completing the square to determine maximum values. Questions arise regarding the necessity of derivatives in this context, and some express confusion about the algebraic technique of completing the square.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants offering insights into different methods for solving the problem. Some express a willingness to explore derivatives despite initial hesitations about algebraic techniques. There is no explicit consensus on the best approach, but various perspectives are being shared.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention gaps in their mathematical background, particularly regarding algebraic concepts like completing the square, which may influence their approach to the problem.

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[SOLVED] Optimization: Rectangle Inscribed in Triangle

Homework Statement



Please see http://www.jstor.org/pss/2686484 link. The problem I have is pretty much exactly the same as that dealt with in this excerpt.

(focus on the bit with the heading "What is the biggest rectangle you can put inside a triangle")

Homework Equations



Shown in the link above.

The Attempt at a Solution



I basically want someone to please explain why we need not use a derivative. As you can see, the last sentence is chopped off and leaves me hanging. :smile:
 
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We see that x(a-x) is maximum if and only if after completing the square [tex](x-\frac{a}{2})^2 =0[/tex] for when x=? Therefore, the maximum rectangle has a height of what?
 
Sorry, I didn't really answer your question. You don't need to use the derivative to find the maximum values of x and y because by completing the squares you can find the maximum value of x. Then, you can use x to find the area of that maximum triangle in terms of the area of the triangle.
 
Could you still use a derivative though?
 
"We need not use a derivative" does not imply that we can't use a derivative to solve for maximum x. So, yes you can use a derivative.
 
konthelion said:
"We need not use a derivative" does not imply that we can't use a derivative to solve for maximum x. So, yes you can use a derivative.

Thank you very much for your help konthelion. I'm going to give it a shot using derivatives (I know nothing about completing the squares) and if you don't mind, I'd like you to have a peek at it as soon as I get round to posting it here...
 
It's very strange that a person would be able to use the derivative (a calculus topic) but not know how to complete the square (an algebra topic).
 
HallsofIvy said:
It's very strange that a person would be able to use the derivative (a calculus topic) but not know how to complete the square (an algebra topic).

I know the quadratic equation, but never learned how it was derived (after some googling yesterday, I realized it's the result of completing the square)

Were never taught it in school. Also, there's an eight year gap between the last time I did any maths and starting my BSc in Physics this year...

It's tough going :smile:
 

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