Optimize Derivative of Trig Functions Grade 11 Math

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a Grade 11 math problem involving the optimization of the area related to a triangle, utilizing trigonometric functions and the cosine rule. Participants are attempting to derive the area and its derivative based on a provided diagram.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply the cosine rule and Pythagorean theorem to find relationships between the sides of the triangle. They express uncertainty about the next steps, particularly regarding the area calculation and its derivative.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided links to images that illustrate the problem, while others have suggested methods for finding the derivative of the area with respect to theta. There is an ongoing exploration of how to proceed with the calculations, but no consensus has been reached on a specific approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants note issues with accessing certain image hosting sites, which may affect the sharing of visual aids necessary for understanding the problem. There is also a mention of needing to derive the area and its derivative, indicating a focus on optimization within the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement


there's a picture of the question... from my textbook
http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos..._1385551_n.jpg
thers a diagram image of the problem too to help understand

Homework Equations



well its a word problem,
i used cosine rule at beginining and then pythagoras...i don't know what to do next but i think you calculare the area and then derivative. but i don't know how (whats the equation for the area)

The Attempt at a Solution


well i used the cosine rule for triangle BCO
BC^2 = 10^2 + 10^2 - 2x10x10 cosθ
BC = √(200-200cosθ)
XY = BC


BY^2 = BX^2 + XY^2 =
400 = BX^2 + (200-200cosθ)
BX^2 = 200 + 200cosθ
BX = √(200+200cosθ)

now what do i do?


reply asap ! :P thankss !
 
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livelaughlove said:

Homework Statement


there's a picture of the question... from my textbook
http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos..._1385551_n.jpg
thers a diagram image of the problem too to help understand

Homework Equations



well its a word problem,
i used cosine rule at beginining and then pythagoras...i don't know what to do next but i think you calculare the area and then derivative. but i don't know how (whats the equation for the area)

The Attempt at a Solution


well i used the cosine rule for triangle BCO
BC^2 = 10^2 + 10^2 - 2x10x10 cosθ
BC = √(200-200cosθ)
XY = BC


BY^2 = BX^2 + XY^2 =
400 = BX^2 + (200-200cosθ)
BX^2 = 200 + 200cosθ
BX = √(200+200cosθ)

now what do i do?


reply asap ! :P thankss !

I can't get access to that web site... so you better go with another uploading site like tinypic.com or somewhere else!

AB
 
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oh sorry ! here you go
i hope this way works

http://es.tinypic.com/r/2exa4yb/6

and here's the old link again, fixed it

http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs145.snc3/17245_418921415214_614755214_10740817_1385551_n.jpg
 
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livelaughlove said:
oh sorry ! here you go
i hope this way works

http://es.tinypic.com/r/2exa4yb/6

and here's the old link again, fixed it

http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs145.snc3/17245_418921415214_614755214_10740817_1385551_n.jpg

I've given all hints needed for the complete answer in the following picture:

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/th.3b37fcda70.jpg

As for the second question, the only hint is that take the first derivative of the area with respect to theta and then equate the resulting equation with zero. The theta from the new equation with an accuracy of 1/10 of a degree will be your desirable answer.

AB
 
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