Optimizing Capacitor Selection for BJT with Emitter Degeneration

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The discussion revolves around the selection of a bypass capacitor for a BJT with an emitter degeneration resistor. Participants explore the implications of capacitor reactance in relation to the emitter resistor and transconductance, as well as the potential effects on signal distortion and circuit behavior across different frequencies.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the bypass capacitor's reactance should be less than the emitter resistor (Re) to avoid reducing small signal gain.
  • Others argue that the reactance should also be less than 1/gm, referencing a textbook that suggests this is a common misconception.
  • A participant points out a calculation error regarding the capacitor value needed for a specific frequency and resistor value, leading to a discussion about the implications of incorrect calculations.
  • Concerns are raised about potential distortion in the amplified signal if the capacitor's reactance is too low compared to Re, due to the charging and discharging dynamics of the capacitor.
  • Some participants discuss alternative configurations, such as shunt negative feedback, which they believe may provide better performance than using a bypass capacitor.
  • There is a clarification regarding the discharge paths of the capacitor, with some participants asserting that the base cannot be grounded and that the capacitor discharges solely through Re.
  • Disagreement exists over the assumptions made regarding the circuit analysis, particularly concerning the steady-state versus transient response of the circuit.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriate criteria for selecting the bypass capacitor, with no consensus reached on whether the reactance should be less than Re, 1/gm, or both. The discussion also highlights disagreements on circuit assumptions and analysis perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note limitations in their analysis, such as ignoring certain circuit elements like the base voltage divider and source resistance, which may affect the overall understanding of the circuit behavior.

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A BJT with emitter degeneration resistor reduces gain. To overcome this we can use a bypass capacitor, so the small signal gain is not reduced.
How do you pick this capacitor?
Should it(the capacitive reactance) be less than RE or 1/gm. I don't understand why it should be less than 1/gm.
 
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The bypass capacitor is in parallel with the emitter resistor Re and should have a reactance, at the lowest frequency you are interested in amplifying, less than the value of Re.
Eg if Re = 1kΩ and the lowest frequency = 500Hz
then 1/(2∏500C) should be less than 1kΩ
this gives C = 31x10^-6 F
 
technician said:
The bypass capacitor is in parallel with the emitter resistor Re and should have a reactance, at the lowest frequency you are interested in amplifying, less than the value of Re.
Eg if Re = 1kΩ and the lowest frequency = 500Hz
then 1/(2∏500C) should be less than 1kΩ
this gives C = 31x10^-6 F

That's what I thought. But the book I am referring says it should be less than 1/gm.
See page 225 (example 5.34) of Fundamentals of microelectronics, by razavi
The author also mentions it's a common mistake to make Capacitor less than Re.
 
technician said:
The bypass capacitor is in parallel with the emitter resistor Re and should have a reactance, at the lowest frequency you are interested in amplifying, less than the value of Re.
Eg if Re = 1kΩ and the lowest frequency = 500Hz
then 1/(2∏500C) should be less than 1kΩ
this gives C = 31x10^-6 F

likephysics said:
That's what I thought. But the book I am referring says it should be less than 1/gm.
See page 225 (example 5.34) of Fundamentals of microelectronics, by razavi
The author also mentions it's a common mistake to make Capacitor less than Re.

technician, please check your arithmetic. For 1/(2*π*500Hz*1000Ω) I get 0.32uF.

If the Xc is considerably lower than Re, then depending on the peak voltage of your signal and the emitter current you can get into a situation where the amplified signal will be distorted. This is caused by the capacitor being charged through the relatively low resistance of the base-emitter junction but discharging through a potentially higher Re.

If you look at the trace for the voltage across the emitter resistor without the bypass capacitor for a simple sinewave, you will notice that as the voltage passes its peak value, the slope of the curve increases downwards. Compare that with the slope of a capacitive discharge curve in which the slope decreases downwards with time. If there comes a point where the capacitive discharge curve is at a higher voltage than the sinewave, the output will be distorted. I believe this is why the Razavi says the Xc should not be less than Re.

There is another reason I dislike emitter resistor bypass capacitors. As the frequency approaches the lower cutoff frequency, the phase shifts considerably compared to higher frequencies. A configuration I much prefer over this one, series negative feedback, is shunt negative feedback. Shunt negative feed back is achieved with the emitter connected to ground but with a resistor connected between the collector and the base. This arrangement will give you higher gain, more immunity from power supply noise, more constant output level if the supply voltage should change as with a discharging battery and no worry about phase shift or distortion from the bypass capacitor.
 
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you are absolutely correct skeptic... careless calculator error... display is 3.2 x 10^-7 which I mentally saw as 32 x 10^-6 and of course it is 0.32 x 10^-6:redface:
 
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If we looking into emitter from Ce capacitor perspective we see two ways for the current to flow.
First is through Re resistor. And we have the second path through re = 1/gm resistor (I assume that base is grounded).
So as we can see Ce capacitor see two parallel connected resistors Re||re.
In most circuits Re>>re so Rz = Re||re ≈ re.
 
Jony130 said:
If we looking into emitter from Ce capacitor perspective we see two ways for the current to flow.
First is through Re resistor. And we have the second path through re = 1/gm resistor (I assume that base is grounded).
No, the base is not grounded. We are assuming the base has a bias with both base and collector currents flowing through Re. Ce cannot discharge through re because that would reverse bias the b-e junction. Ce's only means of discharge is through Re and if that discharge rate is too slow due to Re >> re, then the b-e voltage may drop below 0.55V and the transistor can go into cutoff.
 
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skeptic2 said:
No, the base is not grounded. We are assuming the base has a bias with both base and collector currents flowing through Re. Ce cannot discharge through re because that would reverse bias the b-e junction. Ce's only means of discharge is through Re and if that discharge rate is too slow due to Re >> re, then the b-e voltage may drop below 0.55V and the transistor can go into cutoff.
Hmm, what can I say. It is obvious that the base is not connect directly to the ground.
I analyzed this "circuit" from small-signal perspective and ignoring the base voltage divider and source resistance and hoe (ro).
And what I'm talking here is a steady state small-signal "time constant" and not transient response.
 
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