Optimizing Limits: Is This the Right Approach?

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The discussion revolves around evaluating a limit as \( x \) approaches 0, with participants exploring different methods and results, including the application of L'Hôpital's rule and trigonometric identities. The problem involves conflicting answers from different sources, leading to questions about the correctness of the approaches used.

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  • Participants discuss the evaluation of the limit using different methods, including L'Hôpital's rule and trigonometric identities. There are questions about the validity of certain limit evaluations and the conditions under which they hold true.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their findings and questioning the assumptions behind their calculations. Some have provided guidance on methods, while others are exploring the implications of their results without reaching a consensus.

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There is mention of differing results from textbooks, which has led to confusion regarding the correct method to apply. Participants are also examining specific limit evaluations that may not conform to standard assumptions.

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Is this a right step?
\lim_{x \to 0}
space;0}-\frac{sin^{2}\frac{\Pi&space;ax}{2%282-ax%29}}{sin^{2}\frac{\Pi&space;bx}{2%282-bx%29}}.gif
 

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Yes, this seems correct.
 


If we evaluate the limit this way, we get the answer as -a2/b2
However, if we use L' Hospital rule in the first expression and then evaluate, we get -a/b
I saw 2 books with these 2 methods with unmatching answers.
Which one is the correct answer ( or more specifically correct method ) ?
Can you resolve this paradox?
 


The correct answer is -a2/b2. I have no idea how you end up with -a/b...
 


The solution shown requires more time to write in latex.
I will tell you how the book got -a/b
In the first expression, he applied L' Hospital rule.
Then he used the formula for 2sinxcosx=sin2x and then he evaluated the limits.
You try this way and tell me if you get -a/b
 


I did that and I got -a2/b2...
 


Note that it is not true that

\lim_{x\rightarrow 0}{\frac{\sin{2\pi/(2-ax)}}{2\pi/(2-ax)}}= 1

I have a feeling that this is were you went wrong...
 


micromass said:
Note that it is not true that

\lim_{x\rightarrow 0}{\frac{\sin{2\pi/(2-ax)}}{2\pi/(2-ax)}}= 1

I have a feeling that this is were you went wrong...

Hey how come that is not true.
Put 2(pi)/(2-ax) = y
so that y tends to pi as x tends to 0
Not we have
gif.latex?\lim_{y\rightarrow&space;\Pi&space;}\frac{siny}{y}&space;=&space;1.gif

This is true as
gif.latex?\lim_{x\rightarrow&space;a}\frac{sinf(x)}{f(x)}&space;=&space;1.gif

If and only if f(x) tends to 0 when x tends to a.
Though f(x) does not approach 0 here, sinf(x) becomes 0. Can't we use that limit here?
 


The limit

\lim_{x\rightarrow \pi}{\frac{\sin(x)}{x}}=0

You don't have a 0/0 situation here. You only have a 0/pi situation, which is 0...
 
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Thanks!
 

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