Optimizing Pedal Crank Forces for Efficient Cycling: A Square Wave Approach

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Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on the forces exerted on a bicycle pedal crank by the rider, particularly in the context of fatigue analysis. Participants explore the nature of these forces, considering both alternating and non-alternating components, and propose models for optimizing pedal force application.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the forces on the bike crank are more complex than initially assumed, indicating a need for a detailed analysis of alternating and non-alternating forces.
  • Another participant clarifies that at 90 and 270 degrees, the force exerted by the rider is tangent to the crank, which may affect torque generation.
  • A different viewpoint posits that the self-weight of the crank is also an alternating force due to its directional gravitational force, although it may be negligible compared to rider forces.
  • It is noted that 100% of the rider's effort is converted into torque only at 90 and 270 degrees, while at other points, only a component of the force contributes to torque.
  • One participant introduces an alternative approach to pedal force application, suggesting a mechanism that could optimize efficiency by utilizing a square wave model instead of a sine wave.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of forces acting on the crank and the effectiveness of various models for pedal force application. No consensus is reached regarding the assumptions about force components or the proposed square wave approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the implications of the crank's self-weight or the assumptions regarding force directionality at different pedal positions. The discussion remains open to further exploration of these factors.

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I am trying to determine the forces exerted on a bicycle pedal crank by the rider so I can analyze the fatigue. I believe that I understand how to conduct the fatigue analysis but I think that the forces on the bike crank are more complicated then I have assumed them to be so far.

I know that the forces from the rider will be treated as alternating forces, but am also trying to determine if non-alternating forces exist. I was thinking that the weight of the crank could be considered a non-alternating force.

So far I have broken up the force cycle into four parts to simplify the problem. I am considering the crank forces when the bike pedal is at the top (0 deg), when the pedal crank is parallel to the ground with the pedal near the front wheel (90 deg), when the pedal is at the bottom of the cycle nearest the ground (180 deg), and when the pedal crank is parallel to the ground again with the pedal near the rear wheel (270 deg). At 0 deg, I am assuming that there is a tensile force on the crank normal to the crank ends. At 90 deg and 270 deg, I am assuming that the tensile force is angled. And that the tensile force is normal to the crank ends at 180 deg. Any suggests on whether or not these assumptions are correct would be very helpful.

Thanks!
 
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At 90 and 270 degrees, the force of that the rider is exerting onto the pedals is *tangent* to the crank.
 
tmccraig: The self weight of the crank is also an alternating force, because the gravitational force is directional. However, the crank self weight is probably negligible compared to the forces from the rider.
 
The only time during that 4-stroke pedal cycle that 100%(disregarding mech. loss) of the rider's effort(force applied to the pedals) is being directly converted into torque is at 90 degrees and 270 degrees. this is because it is only at these two points that the pedal force is directly tangent to the cranks. at any other point in the pedal stroke, only a *component* of the rider's pedal force is converted into torque.
 
Can I offer an improvement to the sine wave cycle of forces when pedalling? If the downward foot movement is connected to a vertical chain which runs on two small cogs (top and bottom) and then onto a large cog behind , then all the applied force is "tangential " and is much easier and more efficient. The basic shape to keep in your mind is a large cog running forward to the small top cog, then vertically down to a second small bottom cog and then back to the large cog.All that can be geared down for a bicycle or a generator. That would represent a square wave rather than a sine wave.
 

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