Optimizing UV Wavelengths for Germicidal Effects in Water

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The discussion revolves around the optimization of UV wavelengths for germicidal effects in water, specifically addressing whether the wavelengths of UV light sources need to be adjusted when transitioning from air to water, given the index of refraction for water.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if the germicidal UV wavelengths of 270nm and 254nm would need to be adjusted to 360nm and 338nm respectively when considering the index of refraction of water.
  • Another participant argues that the germicidal properties are related to the frequency of the light rather than the wavelength, suggesting that the lamp should still work without needing to adjust the wavelength.
  • A participant notes that UV light source manufacturers typically quote wavelengths, which may indicate frequency, and expresses intent to investigate further with manufacturers.
  • One participant reflects on the ergonomic reasons for quoting wavelength instead of frequency, emphasizing the relationship between the two through the equation c = fw.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the wavelength needs to be adjusted for germicidal effectiveness in water. There is no consensus on this matter, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the deep absorption band of water in the UV spectrum, which may affect the germicidal effectiveness, but do not resolve how this interacts with the proposed wavelengths.

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If the primary germicidal UV wavelength is 270nm and the secondary is 254nm and I have a UV light source in air to provide germicidal effects in water, would the wavelength of the UV light source need to be 360nm and 338nm respectively assuming the index of refraction for water to be 1.33?
 
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Heh- now that's an interesting question! Never thought of that one.

My guess is no- the germicidal properties come from the *frequency* of the light- the energy, as opposed to the wavelength (the momentum). Since frequency does not change in different media, the lamp should still work.

Now, AFAIK, water has a deep absorption band in the UV: http://www.lsbu.ac.uk/water/images/watopt.gif , so the effect will be attenuated rapidly with depth.

Try it out- I'm curious how well it works.

Can you try it?
 
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That's interesting. All of the UV light source manufacturers that I know of quote wavelength of light rather than frequency but your argument makes sense. I suppose the wavelength of light specified for each light source is actually an indicator of the frequency? I think I will have to look into this more closely and perhaps talk to some of the UV light manufacturers.

BTW, I am going to try it - I just have to make sure my thinking is correct before purchasing the UV light source.
 
I suspect wavelength is quoted rather than frequency for 'ergonomic' purposes only: I understand intuitively what 500, 300, 250 nm wavelength light... ahem.. looks like. The wavelength and frequency are relatable via c= fw (f =frequency, w = wavelength, =speed of light) easily enough.
 
I suspect wavelength is quoted rather than frequency for 'ergonomic' purposes only: I understand intuitively what 500, 300, 250 nm wavelength light... ahem.. looks like. The wavelength and frequency are relatable via c = [itex]\lambda\nu[/itex], where [itex]\nu[/itex] is the frequency and [itex]\lambda[/itex] is the wavelength. c is the speed of light.

Edit: sorry for the double post... how odd.
 

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