Change in energy as light passes through air/water

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the behavior of light emitted from LEDs over an aquarium, specifically addressing the perceived green tinge of the light and the effects of water on light properties. Participants explore concepts related to wavelength, energy, fluorescence, and the interaction of light with different media, including air and water.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the green tinge observed may result from a combination of wavelength spreading due to the angle of incidence, prismatic effects, and energy loss as light travels through water.
  • Another participant suggests that the observed greenish hue could be due to fluorescence caused by UV components of the light interacting with substances in the water.
  • A different contributor explains that while the frequency of light remains constant, its wavelength changes when entering water, and that absorption and scattering could affect the perceived color.
  • One participant mentions that the LEDs are not monochromatic and that the figures provided relate to peak wavelengths, indicating a broader spectrum of emitted light.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential for fluorescence in the aquarium, with speculation on whether short wavelength UV light is being converted to longer wavelengths, such as green.
  • Participants discuss the implications of light intensity and spectral distribution in relation to photosynthetically active radiation (PAR) for aquatic plants.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various hypotheses regarding the causes of the green tinge, including fluorescence, scattering, and absorption, but no consensus is reached on the primary factors at play. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in their understanding and the complexity of light interactions with water, including potential dependencies on definitions and assumptions about the light sources and aquarium conditions.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to aquarium enthusiasts, individuals studying light behavior in different media, and those exploring the effects of LED lighting on aquatic environments.

  • #31
OmCheeto said:
With a cardboard box, an AOL cd, and a dollar store camera.
You deserve a medal for ingenuity and entertainment! Very pretty and it needs some 'analysing, I think.
I know people use CDs as gratings but I think there must be something wrong here. Assuming you have the same amount of throw on your system, the spacings of the spectral components should be the same but there is Yellow on the LED white which has gone for the strip. Perhaps you are not starting with a narrow vertical slot. That could account for much of what I am not happy with - the Cyan band near the top. You shouldn't ever see Cyan without green and blue. There must be an overlap giving a mix of blue and green over a broad band. Have another go with the system, making sure you have a narrow slot and collimated light.
Yes I agree that the Magnitude scale is the wrong way up. They got it wrong - same as the sign of the charge on an electron haha. But we can cope!
 
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  • #32
sophiecentaur said:
...Have another go with the system, making sure you have a narrow slot and collimated light.
...
Umm... no. This is not my problem. But you did trigger an idea, which precludes tkyoung from having to wait 2 weeks for diffraction grating, as I now perceive this as more a qualitative, rather than quantitative problem. tk just needs to know if there is "green" in the source light.

Low and behold:

cd.dollar.store.spectrum.png

an old CD will do the trick.
 

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