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The discussion revolves around the order of operations in the context of limits and integrals, specifically within contour integration. Participants explore whether taking the limit before or after performing the integral yields the same result and how to handle the integration of exponential functions.

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  • One participant questions if taking the limit first and then performing the integral always results in the same answer as integrating first and then taking the limit.
  • Another participant asserts that the order of operations does matter, providing references to the Dominated Convergence Theorem and Fatou's Lemma as relevant results.
  • A participant expresses difficulty understanding the provided references due to their background in physics.
  • Another participant explains that convergence of the integral sequence does not generally hold even if the functions involved are integrable, suggesting the need for a dominating function to ensure proper convergence.
  • A side note is made regarding physicists' approach to results matching experimental data rather than strictly adhering to mathematical rigor.

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There is disagreement regarding the implications of the order of operations, with some participants asserting that it matters while others provide conditions under which limits and integrals can be exchanged. The discussion remains unresolved on whether a general rule can be applied.

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Participants express varying levels of familiarity with the mathematical concepts involved, indicating that some references may not be accessible to all. The discussion includes assumptions about the integrability of functions and the conditions necessary for exchanging limits and integrals.

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Readers interested in complex analysis, mathematical rigor in integration, and the interplay between limits and integrals may find this discussion relevant.

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Hi.
I came across the following integral in contour integration
lim(ε→0) "integral of" exp(iaεe) dθ = θ
If I take the limit first then it just becomes the integral of 1 which is θ.

I have 2 questions -
If I take the limit first and then perform the integral do I always get the same answer as when I do the integral first and then take the limit ? In other words does the order of operations matter ?

If I wanted to do the integral first , how do I integrate the exponential of an exponential ? I have never seen one before.

Thanks
 
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dyn said:
Hi.
I came across the following integral in contour integration
lim(ε→0) "integral of" exp(iaεe) dθ = θ
If I take the limit first then it just becomes the integral of 1 which is θ.

I have 2 questions -
If I take the limit first and then perform the integral do I always get the same answer as when I do the integral first and then take the limit ?
No.
In other words does the order of operations matter ?
Yes.
There are two helpful results for the real case in this context:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominated_convergence_theorem
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatou's_lemma
If I wanted to do the integral first , how do I integrate the exponential of an exponential ? I have never seen one before.
It would probably be easier to prove that the conditions for an exchange of limit and integration are given.
 
Thanks for your reply. I am learning complex analysis from a physics background and to be honest most of those references were over my head
 
The best explanation I had found is

"Even if all ##f_n## and the limit function ##f## are integrable, the convergence of the integral sequence does in general not hold! The integrable major function (first link) prevents the sequence of functions ##f_n## from escaping to infinity."

This means we need something that dominates the limit sequence from above. As all your function values are on the unit circle, I guess this could be achieved in this case. And as a side note: physicists don't bother as long as the result matches their experiments, but do not quote me on that. :wink:
 

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