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Orthogonal Projection onto XY plane

  1. Mar 12, 2009 #1
    I have an assignment question to find an equation of the orthogonal projection onto the XY plane of the curve of intersection of twp particular functions.
    If some one knows of a good web page that might explain this to me I would be greatly appreciate it.

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    Brendan
     
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  3. Mar 12, 2009 #2

    HallsofIvy

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    If you can write the equation of the curve of intersection as parametric equations, just set z= 0. That is, if the curve is given by x= f(t), y= g(t), z= h(t), its projection onto the xy-plane is x= f(t), y= g(t), z= 0.
     
  4. Mar 12, 2009 #3
    The two functions that intersect are:

    z = y^2 and z = 4-X^2 -y^2



    z = 4-X^2 -y^2

    As parametric

    x = 4-cos(t) y = -sin(t)

    z = y^2

    As parametric

    z = sin(t)

    Do I have to combine the two Equations?
     
  5. Mar 13, 2009 #4

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    Those are NOT parametric equations for the two surfaces. Since they involve only a single parameter they are equations of curves, not surfaces.

    The two surfaces are [itex]z= y^2[/itex] and [itex]z= 4- x^2- y^2[/itex]. In this particular case, you don't need parametric equations at all. You can just eliminate z from the two equations to get the projection onto the xy plane.
     
  6. Mar 13, 2009 #5

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    Just to understand Ivy's answer better, check that the vector in the projection

    is actually orthogonal to the xy-plane: describe the xy-plane in "coordinates"

    (i.e., in the same way as describing the x-axis as the set of points (x,0) ) , and then

    find the coordinates of your vector : coordinates (x,y,z) of intersection point -

    coordinates (x,y,z) of projection . You can use dot product to show that the

    projection is perpendicular : xy-plane is perp. to the vector going from :

    intersection point to image of orth. projection. (It would help if I could draw pictures.)
     
  7. Mar 13, 2009 #6
    The two surfaces are z = y^2 and z = 4-X^2 -y^2

    surface 1 (xy plane) = (0,y,0)
    surface 2 (xy plane)= (x,y,0)

    They both intersect at (0,y,0)

    is Y the projection?
     
  8. Mar 13, 2009 #7
    Sorry, I'm getting confused.

    The two surfaces are z = y^2 and z = 4-X^2 -y^2

    4-x^2 - y^2 =z
    y^2 = z

    Subtract one equation from the other gives

    4-x^2 -2y^2 = 0

    Is that the orthogonal projection?
     
  9. Mar 13, 2009 #8
    Yes, that is correct.

    In your previous post you projected the surfaces first (you should have gotten (x,y,0) for both surfaces btw) and then intersected their projection. That doesn't work. You have to intersect first and then project.

    That's exactly what you did in your latest post. Usually you would have to set z = 0 to get the projection. However, since we already have a description of just the x- and y-coordinates of the intersection that does not depend on z, we can skip this step.

    By the way, what does the answer look like geometrically?
     
  10. Mar 13, 2009 #9
    It looks like a convex Elliptic paraboloid
     
  11. Mar 14, 2009 #10

    HallsofIvy

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    No, the projection of the curve of intersection of two surfaces into the xy-plane is a curve in the xy-plane, not a surface.

    Your first surface, [itex]z= y^2[/itex] is a "parabolic cylinder", your second surface is, [itex]z= 4- x^2- y^2[/itex] is an "elliptic paraboloid" (or, more correctly, a "circular paraboloid". The intersection of the two is given by [itex]y^2= 4- x^2- y^2[/itex] or [itex]x^2+ 2y^2= 4[/itex], an ellipse.
     
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