Orthogonality of Hermite functions

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The discussion centers on the orthogonality of Hermite functions, specifically exploring the integral relationship that demonstrates their orthogonality for different indices. Participants are examining various methods to prove this property, including integration by parts, induction, and Sturm-Liouville theory.

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  • One participant presents the definition of Hermite functions and the integral that needs to be shown to equal zero for different indices.
  • Another suggests using induction as a potential method for proving orthogonality.
  • A different participant proposes using the generating function to simplify the integral.
  • One participant notes a specific integral equality involving Hermite polynomials and suggests that Sturm-Liouville theory can be applied to establish this relationship.
  • Some participants express unfamiliarity with Sturm-Liouville theory and generating functions, indicating a gap in knowledge that affects their ability to follow certain suggestions.
  • Another participant reiterates the integral equality and provides a detailed derivation involving integration by parts and substitution, leading to a conclusion about the orthogonality condition.
  • There is a discussion about the effectiveness of different methods, with some participants favoring the approach suggested by another, while others remain uncertain about the use of induction.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method to prove the orthogonality of Hermite functions. Various approaches are suggested, but uncertainty remains regarding the application of these methods and the participants' familiarity with the necessary mathematical tools.

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Some participants express limitations in their understanding of certain mathematical theories and methods, which may affect their ability to engage fully with the proposed solutions. There is also a reliance on specific mathematical properties that may not be universally accepted or understood by all participants.

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Hi, friends! I want to show that Hermite functions, defined by ##\varphi_n(x)=(-1)^n e^{x^2/2}\frac{d^n e^{-x^2}}{dx^n}##, ##n\in\mathbb{N}## are an orthogonal system, i.e. that, for any ##m\ne n##,

##\int_{-\infty}^\infty e^{x^2} \frac{d^m e^{-x^2}}{dx^m} \frac{d^n e^{-x^2}}{dx^n}=0 ##​

I have tried by integrating by parts, but I am landing nowhere...
Thank you so much for any help!
 
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Did you try induction?
 
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You can use the generating function and reduce the whole integral to a doable one.
 
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I note that \int_{-\infty}^\infty \phi_n(x)\phi_m(x)\,dx = \int_{-\infty}^\infty e^{-x^2}H_n(x)H_m(x)\,dx = 2\sqrt{\pi}n!\delta_{nm}. The second equality can be established by applying Sturm-Liouville theory to the Hermite equation H_n'' - 2xH_n' = -2nH_n.
 
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Thank you all so much!
@dextercioby and pasmith: Regrettably, I do not know anything of Sturm-Liouville theory or generating functions...
@mfb: I am not sure how we could use induction with ##m## and ##n##... I think that integration by parts is the key, but I am not able to manipulate the integral to get the desired result...
 
The best way is the one suggested by pasmith because you won't do any integration.
So I suggest you read Sturm-Liouville theory chapter of Mathematical methods for physicists by Arfken.
 
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pasmith said:
I note that \int_{-\infty}^\infty \phi_n(x)\phi_m(x)\,dx = \int_{-\infty}^\infty e^{-x^2}H_n(x)H_m(x)\,dx = 2\sqrt{\pi}n!\delta_{nm}. The second equality can be established by applying Sturm-Liouville theory to the Hermite equation H_n'' - 2xH_n' = -2nH_n.

Or, since \phi_n = e^{-\frac12x^2}H_n, substitution yields <br /> \phi_n&#039;&#039; + (1 - x^2)\phi_n = -2n\phi_n. Multiplying by \phi_m and integrating over the real line gives <br /> \int_{-\infty}^\infty \phi_n&#039;&#039;\phi_m + (1 - x^2)\phi_n\phi_m\,dx = -2n\int_{-\infty}^\infty \phi_n \phi_m\,dx.<br /> Integrating the first term on the left by parts twice yields <br /> \int_{-\infty}^\infty \phi_n \phi_m&#039;&#039; + (1 - x^2)\phi_n\phi_m\,dx = -2n\int_{-\infty}^\infty \phi_n \phi_m\,dx<br /> and since \phi_m&#039;&#039; + (1-x^2)\phi_m = -2m\phi_m we have <br /> -2m \int_{-\infty}^\infty \phi_n \phi_m\,dx = -2n\int_{-\infty}^\infty \phi_n \phi_m\,dx or
2(n - m)\int_{-\infty}^\infty \phi_n \phi_m\,dx = 0.
 
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DavideGenoa said:
@mfb: I am not sure how we could use induction with ##m## and ##n##... I think that integration by parts is the key, but I am not able to manipulate the integral to get the desired result...
It was a guess, as those things easily transform to n+-1 or m+-1 and so on via partial integration. We have much nicer solutions here now.
 
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I thank you all very much!
 

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