Otto cycle combustion heat question

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The discussion revolves around calculating the efficiency of an ideal Otto cycle, specifically focusing on the temperature during the combustion stage based on the compression ratio and the heat of combustion of gasoline. Participants explore the implications of their calculations and the assumptions involved in the energy balance of the cycle.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates a combustion temperature of 51,161 Kelvin using the heat of combustion of gasoline and specific heat of air, expressing confusion over the high result.
  • Another participant suggests that the energy balance is incomplete, indicating that the enthalpy of formation for both fuel and products must be considered in the calculations.
  • A participant questions whether the heat of combustion already accounts for the enthalpy of formation, seeking clarification on this aspect.
  • There is a discussion about the air-fuel ratio, with one participant realizing that they were using 1 kg of gasoline to raise the temperature of 1 kg of air, prompting a reconsideration of their calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the completeness of the energy balance in the calculations, with some uncertainty about the role of enthalpy of formation and the correct application of the air-fuel ratio. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct approach to calculating the combustion temperature.

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Limitations include potential misunderstandings about the heat of combustion and its relation to enthalpy of formation, as well as assumptions regarding the air-fuel ratio and specific heat values used in the calculations.

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I have been trying to determine the efficiency of an ideal Otto cycle based on the compression ratio of my car and the heat of combustion of gasoline and I think I'm not entierly wrong but there is something quite off. When trying to calculate the temperature of the combustion stage my result gives me the amazingly high temperature of 51,621kelvin which is obviously silly.
Here is the data I used:

I used the heat of combustion of gasoline, in this case 42,500 Kj as Qin.
662.385kelvin as the temperature of the previous stage of the cycle.
0.834 Kj/KgK as the sepecific heat of air.

So according to me the temperature should be given by the following equation:

Qin=CvΔT

So I need one of the temperatures so it becomes:

T3=(Qin/Cv)+T2

Which translates to:

T3=(42,500/0.834)+662.385

And finally:

T3= 51,161kelvin

I suspect that I'm using the wrong number for the specific heat of air but I'm not entierly sure, any ideas?
 
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You have ok numbers for air. The problem is that you only took into account part of the energy balance. You need to consider the enthalpy of formation for fuel and products, not just the fuel. Remember, you don't get those product bonds without an energy exchange.
 
Thanks for the reply, but I'm still confused, I thought the heat of combustion already considered the enthalpy of formation of the products or am I missing the point?
 
Saharka said:
Thanks for the reply, but I'm still confused, I thought the heat of combustion already considered the enthalpy of formation of the products or am I missing the point?
Right.
But you are using 1 kg of gasoline, by combustion, to raise the temperature of 1 kg of air.
Would that be correct?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air–fuel_ratio
 
Ohhh right, should have been a duh, thanks.

So no I think the air fuel ratio is 14.7 I'll adjust for this thanks again.
 

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