Outdoor WoodBurner = Indoor Heat suggestions?

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The discussion revolves around the challenges of heating a living room in a rented property during winter, particularly focusing on the feasibility of using an outdoor wood-burning stove to provide heat indoors without installing it inside the house. Participants explore various heating options, cost comparisons between wood and electricity, and alternative insulation methods for windows.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses frustration with high electricity costs and suggests using a wood-burning stove located on the patio to heat the living room without moving it indoors.
  • Another participant questions whether wood would be cheaper than electricity, noting the need for several cubic meters of wood per season.
  • A participant shares their electricity rate and compares it to the potential savings from using wood, which they can obtain for free from work, highlighting the satisfaction of having a fire.
  • One suggestion is to use shrink film for window insulation as a cost-effective solution, explaining the thermal conductivity of single-pane glass versus insulated windows.
  • Concerns are raised about the complexity and cost of setting up an outdoor wood-burning heating system, with estimates suggesting it could cost several hundred to over a thousand pounds.
  • A creative idea is proposed for a "tent stove" system that could fit in the living area, with a flue running out of a window, although this may be perceived as unconventional.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to heating the living room. There are multiple competing views on the feasibility and cost-effectiveness of using wood versus electricity, as well as differing opinions on insulation methods.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various assumptions regarding the availability and cost of wood, the effectiveness of different insulation methods, and the potential complexity of outdoor heating systems. There are also unresolved questions about the practicality of proposed solutions.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals living in rented properties seeking alternative heating solutions, those interested in DIY insulation methods, and anyone considering the use of wood-burning stoves for heating purposes.

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ok so I'm in a private rented property in the uk, been here years and don't plan on moving out any time soon, however in the winter I've been finding its ridiculous trying to heat the 1 room in the house that me and my partner spend so much time ... the living room (lounge to some people), its got a pretty modern electric fire but I try not to use it as you can almost hear the electric meter laughing as it spins out of its casing, walls have been done but its all single glazed and I can't get the landlord to fork out for new windows so I was just thinking as a side thought as I like building things is it possible to heat the house or atleast the living room without physically putting anything in the house, then I came up with a possible part solution I've got a nice little wood burning stove sitting on my patio would it be possible to heat a room somehow using this without the obvious and putting it inside.

more of a suggestion thread really, and yes I am aware I could buy thicker curtains, put egg shells on my walls glue carpet to my windows wrap up in 35 layers etc :) its more of a question of can anyone think of a way of getting the heat from my patio heater into my living room safely and cleanly :)

ooh I attached a rough drawing of my downstairs layout the kitchen is on a single story extension :)
 

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Main question is - will wood be cheaper than electricity? No matter how you organize things, you will need several cubic meters (no idea how the wood is sold/measured in UK) per season.
 
Electricity for me with my supplier is 20p per kwh that's ... somethin around $0.30 ish per kwh US so it adds up when running a 3kw electric heater over our 11 month winters ;), wood however is usually freely available from where i work in the form of crates/pallets atleast in the amounts i would use so the theory is there that if it was possible to use the wood heater in the room itself i would be saving money but at the same time there is a simple satisfaction to being around roaring fire
 
I would recommend shrink film for your windows. It's cheap, fast, and requires no wood.
DIY Window Insulation: Shrink-wrap plastic

If you check out the insulating (R-value) of glass, it's at the bottom of the list: Typical per-unit-thickness R-values for material

And the values listed are for a 1 inch thick piece of material. I'm guessing window glass is around 1/10 of an inch thick, so you would have to divide the value given by 10. This yields a value of 0.014.
Compare that to the R-value of 1/2 inch of air: R ≈ 1.5, and you will see that single pane glass is about 100 times more thermally conductive, compared to a window with the film.

Now if you've ever looked at double pane windows, you will notice that the gap is very consistent from one window to the next. There is a reason for this. The optimal distance is around 0.6 inches. The reasoning is a bit complicated. At distances above 0.6 inches, air is more free to move, and convective currents will be generated, actually reducing the R-value. Below 0.6 inches, the R-value is linearly dependent on the thickness of the air, so a 0.3 inch gap will be twice as conductive as a 0.6 inch gap.

As for an outside wood burning heating system, that gets quite complicated, is going to probably cost several hundred pounds, and will probably not work very well, unless you spend at least a thousand pounds.

You might be able to hobble together a "tent stove" system that fits in your living area, with the flue running out one of your windows. But then, people might think you are a bit strange. What we here in the colonies call, a "redneck".

Example: Colorado Cylinder Stoves - Stove Mat/Tent Shield
 

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