Oxidation number in acidic medium

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The discussion revolves around calculating oxidation numbers in acidic medium, specifically in the context of the reaction between dichromate ions (Cr2O72-) and hydrogen sulfide (H2S). Participants explore methods for determining oxidation states and the implications for redox reactions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that experience is crucial for determining oxidation numbers, while others mention the use of Pourbaix diagrams as a resource.
  • A participant describes a method for calculating oxidation numbers based on the overall charge of a molecule and the known oxidation state of oxygen, concluding that chromium in Cr2O72- has an oxidation state of +6.
  • Another participant points out that oxidation numbers are properties of individual atoms rather than molecules, emphasizing that Cr2O72- has a charge of -2, not an oxidation number.
  • There is a discussion about whether the sum of oxidation numbers in a molecule must equal the overall charge, with some participants affirming this point.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the products of the reaction, aside from Cr3+, and questions whether a balanced equation is necessary.
  • Another participant suggests that hydrogen sulfide can be oxidized to either elemental sulfur or sulfate, depending on the strength of the oxidizer.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the calculation of oxidation numbers but express differing views on the methods and implications for predicting reaction products. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the complete balanced equation for the reaction.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of assigning oxidation numbers, particularly in certain compounds like S2O32-, indicating that some cases may be more challenging than others.

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Hi everyone,
In my school I was given a problem. It's that Cr2O7-2 + H2S in a acidic medium. And my teacher told that Chromium becomes Cr+3 .

I want to know is there such a way to calculate the oxidation number in acidic medium. Or is it required the experience?
 
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First, experience. When it fails, there are always Pourbaix diagrams.
 
Bandarigoda said:
Hi everyone,
In my school I was given a problem. It's that Cr2O7-2 + H2S in a acidic medium. And my teacher told that Chromium becomes Cr+3 .?

I've recently been trying to teach myself this stuff. Somebody let me know if this is way off base but this is a method that seems to work for me.

A neutral molecule has an overall oxidization number of zero, and a charged radical or ion has an overall oxidization number equal to it's charge.

So Cr2O7(2-) has an overall oxidization number of -2. The way I've been dealing with ones like this is to just assume the number of the simple atom (oxygen) and thereby deduce the number of the less obvious one (transition metal in this case).

Let the oxidization number of O be -2 and that of Cr be "n". Then,

[tex]2n + 7\times(-2) = -2[/tex]

Solving for "n" the oxidization state of the Cr atom in Cr2O7(2-) must be +6.

If this becomes Cr(3+) on the right hand side of the balanced equation then the oxidization number of Cr is decreasing from 6 to 3, therefore Cr is being reduced in this process.

Disclaimer. I'm still on my Chemistry "L" plates :). So anyone please feel free to critic this answer if I'm wrong.
 
chemnoob said:
So anyone please feel free to critic this answer if I'm wrong.

You are for two reasons - one, it doesn't address the OP problem (which is how to predict ON of a product of the reaction), two, it is wrong as oxidation number is a property of an atom, not of the molecule. Cr2O72- has a _charge_ of -2, not oxidation number. Cr in Cr2O72- has oxidation number of +6 (which you calculated correctly).

Please note oxidation numbers are only an accounting device, handy when balancing redox reactions, but there is no measurable property of atoms that can be connected with ON. Which is why I prefer half reactions approach to balancing redox.
 
Borek said:
it is wrong as oxidation number is a property of an atom, not of the molecule. Cr2O72- has a _charge_ of -2, not oxidation number.
Ok. So is it still correct to say that the sum of the oxidization numbers (of the individual atoms) in a molecule must equal the charge, -2 in the above example?

it doesn't address the OP problem (which is how to predict ON of a product of the reaction),
To be honest I don't even know what the reaction products would be for that reaction, apart from the [itex]Cr^{\,3+}[/itex] as that was given.

Does the OP need to complete a balanced equation something like as follows?

[tex]Cr_2O_7^{\,\,2-} + \, ? H_2S \, + \, ?? H_3O^{+} \rightarrow 2 Cr^{\,3+} + \, ?[/tex]
 
I see. So it's up to my experience. I'll have to find more equations and solve them. Thanks for help guys.

Yes the overall charge is equal to -2
Cr is +6
So, 12 + (-14)=-2
 
@chemnoob balancing is not a problem for me as long as I know the oxidation number.
 
chemnoob said:
Ok. So is it still correct to say that the sum of the oxidization numbers (of the individual atoms) in a molecule must equal the charge, -2 in the above example?

Yes, that part is perfectly OK.

Trick is, sometimes assigning individual ONs is quite difficult. Try S2O32-.

To be honest I don't even know what the reaction products would be for that reaction, apart from the [itex]Cr^{\,3+}[/itex] as that was given.

Does the OP need to complete a balanced equation something like as follows?

[tex]Cr_2O_7^{\,\,2-} + \, ? H_2S \, + \, ?? H_3O^{+} \rightarrow 2 Cr^{\,3+} + \, ?[/tex]

Yes. In such cases hydrogen sulfide gets oxidized to elemental sulfur (when the oxidizer is mild) or to SO42- (when the oxidizer is strong). The important part is

Cr2O72- + H2S -> Cr3+ + SO42-

as all other molecules required for balancing (H2O, H+ and OH-) are always present in water solutions and they can be used freely whenever needed to balance charge, hydrogen and oxygen.
 
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