Palatini f(R) gravity and the variation

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The discussion revolves around the variation in Palatini f(R) gravity, specifically aiming to derive a particular equation from Tsujikawa's dark energy book. Participants express challenges in performing the variation and understanding the derivation of the equation.

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  • One participant expresses difficulty in performing the variation for Palatini f(R) gravity to arrive at a specific equation from Tsujikawa's book.
  • Another participant suggests using itex tags for proper mathematical formatting, indicating a focus on clarity in mathematical expressions.
  • Several participants reiterate the equation in question, confirming its correctness but expressing uncertainty about the derivation process.
  • There is mention of two different R's in the equation, with one being R(g) and the other R(T), highlighting a potential point of confusion or complexity in the discussion.

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Participants generally agree on the correctness of the equation but do not reach consensus on how to derive it, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved regarding the derivation process.

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Participants note the complexity of the derivation involving the combination of specific mathematical expressions, which may depend on further assumptions or definitions not fully explored in the discussion.

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Hi friends,

going through Palatini gravity, I cannot do the variation for palatini f(R) gravity and get to the famous equation (Tsujikawa dark energy book equation 9.6):
R_{\mu\nu} - \frac{1}{2}g_{\mu\nu}R =\frac{\kappa^2 T_{\mu\nu}}{F} - \frac{FR-f}{2F}g_{\mu\nu} + \frac{1}{F}(\nabla_\mu \nabla_\nu F - g_{\mu\nu} \Box F)- \frac{3}{2F^2}(\partial_\mu F\partial_\nu F - \frac{1}{2}g_{\mu\nu} (\nabla F)^2)

I tried but it does not work!
 
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If you want your math to show up correctly, you need to surround it with itex tags, like this: a^2+b^2=c^2. Click on the QUOTE button in my post to see how I did that.
 
bcrowell said:
If you want your math to show up correctly, you need to surround it with itex tags, like this: a^2+b^2=c^2. Click on the QUOTE button in my post to see how I did that.

Thanks!
 
If you edit your #1, we'll be able to read it.
 
Hi friends,

going through Palatini gravity, I cannot do the variation for palatini f(R) gravity and get to the famous equation (Tsujikawa dark energy book equation 9.6):

R_{\mu\nu}-\frac{1}{2} g_{\mu\nu} =
\frac{\kappa^{2} T_{\mu\nu}}{F} - \frac{F R -f}{2F} g_{\mu\nu} + \frac{1}{F} (\nabla _{\mu} \nabla _{\nu} F - g_{\mu\nu} d'lambert F) - \frac{3}{2 F ^{2}} [ \partial _{\mu} F \partial_{\nu} F - \frac{1}{2} g_{\mu\nu} ( \nabla F)^{2}]


I tried but it does not work!
 
R_{\mu\nu} - \frac{1}{2}g_{\mu\nu}R =\frac{\kappa^2 T_{\mu\nu}}{F} - \frac{FR-f}{2F}g_{\mu\nu} + \frac{1}{F}(\nabla_\mu \nabla_\nu F - g_{\mu\nu} \Box F)- \frac{3}{2F^2}(\partial_\mu F\partial_\nu F - \frac{1}{2}g_{\mu\nu} (\nabla F)^2)
 
Mentz114 said:
R_{\mu\nu} - \frac{1}{2}g_{\mu\nu}R =\frac{\kappa^2 T_{\mu\nu}}{F} - \frac{FR-f}{2F}g_{\mu\nu} + \frac{1}{F}(\nabla_\mu \nabla_\nu F - g_{\mu\nu} \Box F)- \frac{3}{2F^2}(\partial_\mu F\partial_\nu F - \frac{1}{2}g_{\mu\nu} (\nabla F)^2)

Yes this is the exact equation.
But I do not know how they reach to this by combining
\nabla_{\lambda} ( \sqrt{-g} G g^{\mu\nu})=0

and

F R_{\mu\nu} - \frac{1}{2} f g_{\mu\nu} = \kappa ^{2} T _{\mu\nu}

!
 
shadi_s10 said:
Yes this is the exact equation.
But I do not know how they reach to this by combining
\nabla_{\lambda} ( \sqrt{-g} G g^{\mu\nu})=0

and

F R_{\mu\nu} - \frac{1}{2} f g_{\mu\nu} = \kappa ^{2} T _{\mu\nu}

!

It is interesting to mention that there are actually two different R in this equation.
The first one on the left hand side is R(g) and the second one in the right hand side is R(T)
 

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