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The discussion centers on the impact of Sarah Palin's selection as the vice-presidential candidate for John McCain's campaign. Initial reactions highlighted her appeal to women, but the conversation quickly shifted to criticisms of her qualifications and the controversies surrounding her, such as her daughter's pregnancy and various ethical issues. Despite these controversies, many supporters remained loyal, attributing her popularity to her charisma and ability to connect with conservative values. Critics argue that her lack of substantial experience and knowledge in complex political matters undermines her candidacy. The dialogue also touches on the broader implications of the election process, suggesting that it has devolved into a popularity contest rather than a serious evaluation of candidates' qualifications and policies. Participants express frustration over the perceived ignorance of voters who support candidates based on superficial traits rather than substantive issues, leading to concerns about the future of democracy and informed decision-making in elections.
  • #691
AlaskaDailyNews said:
Board's Troopergate probe casts wider net
Investigator hasn't said who else may be under scrutiny.

By TOM KIZZIA
tkizzia@adn.com

Published: October 13th, 2008 11:50 PM
Last Modified: October 13th, 2008 01:30 AM

The state Personnel Board investigation of Gov. Sarah Palin's firing of Walt Monegan has broadened to include other ethics complaints against the governor and examination of actions by other state employees, according to the independent counsel handling the case.
http://www.adn.com/troopergate/story/555288.html

This would be the personnel board that she reported herself to in order to sidetrack the Legislative Council - which didn't work. Apparently now once started it has a life of its own. And this Board is empowered to bring criminal charges if violations are found.
 
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  • #692
"Palin - Hair Aware" says Wasilla beautician.

As Mrs. Palin became a public figure, Mrs. Steele said, she gave more thought to her image.

“She’s very involved in her look and how she’s perceived,” Mrs. Steele said. “We would talk a lot about how if she looked too pretty or too sexy, people wouldn’t listen to her. How important it was for people to see her as an intelligent, smart woman. It was comical when her hair was down, how big a difference that would make, especially when she was running for governor.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/f...ssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=all&oref=slogin

There's another word for this - narcissism.
 
  • #693
McCain taking heat from Bush strategist, Matthew Dowd, for his Palin pick.

"[McCain] knows, in his gut, that he put somebody unqualified on the ballot. He knows that in his gut, and when this race is over that is something he will have to live with... He put somebody unqualified on that ballot and he put the country at risk, he knows that."
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/10/conservatives-k.html
 
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  • #694
Sorry, had to delete the Huffington Post links. They don't give equal space to both sides.
 
  • #695
I don't know if these were already posted.

THE FIVE WEEKS OF SARAH PALIN

Watching her at what many said was her best, I was embarrassed. As a candidate for national office, Sarah Palin is an embarrassment to the nation. She is an embarrassment to the Republican Party and to the man who chose her, Sen. John McCain

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ucrr/20081003/cm_ucrr/thefiveweeksofsarahpalin;_ylt=AkjZAslTaJYZr514HTvXwGA__8QF
 
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  • #696
Evo said:
Sorry, had to delete the Huffington Post links. They don't give equal space to both sides.
Unfortunately, the mainstream media will not give coverage to many of the stories that Huffington covers, even if they are entirely accurate and fair. Equal time is an ideal that is badly misapplied by the mainstream media. Instead of doing investigative reporting and taking on tough issues, they invite talking heads for both sides of each issue to flail away at each other, regardless of the validity of their arguments. I liken this to the demands that creationism be given equal time in schools with evolution science. It cheapens political discourse and it dumbs down the electorate, who are left with nothing more than claims, counter-claims, and nay-saying. It might be a better idea to allow links from all kinds of sources (left, center, and right) and let PF'ers make up their own minds.

If you disallow any Huffington Post stories, will you also agree to delete all links to FOX news stories? They have nothing good to say about any progressive/liberal policies or candidates and are nothing more than a mouthpiece for the neocons and the GOP. They certainly do not report on anything that might denigrate the GOP ticket. "Fair and balanced" they ain't. The news-reader for the local FOX TV affiliate has even taken to wearing her hair like Palin's.
 
  • #697
turbo-1 said:
If you disallow any Huffington Post stories, will you also agree to delete all links to FOX news stories?
That would be fair.
 
  • #698
Evo said:
That would be fair.
Thank you, Evo.
 
  • #699
to me it makes no sense to delete one sided links since there are one sided links for both sides, and both can be linked here. why not let us read them and decide for ourselves how biased it is?
 
  • #700
mathwonk said:
to me it makes no sense to delete one sided links since there are one sided links for both sides, and both can be linked here. why not let us read them and decide for ourselves how biased it is?
Because some of the rags out there that have been posted in the past are blatant lies, hate mongering, conspiracy theories and violate just about every posting guideline we have. I have to draw the line somewhere.
 
  • #701
mathwonk said:
to me it makes no sense to delete one sided links since there are one sided links for both sides, and both can be linked here. why not let us read them and decide for ourselves how biased it is?

It was an opinion piece on the Huffington website by Max Blumenthal.

And surprisingly it was not complimentary to Palins record with minorities. You can view it there still I'm sure.

I wouldn't want to say anything more about it lest I get the original poster in further trouble.
 
  • #702
Ivan Seeking said:
McCain taking heat from Bush strategist, Matthew Dowd, for his Palin pick.


http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/10/conservatives-k.html

So, is it fair to call Sarah Palin the "party boobytrap"?

Wooa, that's a palindrome! :bugeye:
 
  • #703
BobG said:
So, is it fair to call Sarah Palin the "party boobytrap"?

Wooa, that's a palindrome! :bugeye:
Home run, BobG!
 
  • #704
BobG said:
So, is it fair to call Sarah Palin the "party boobytrap"?

Wooa, that's a palindrome! :bugeye:
Nice! :approve:
 
  • #705
Palin thinks New Hampshire is in the northwest... Oops! Didn't she learn the beauty pageant wisdom about having maps?

 
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  • #706
If a Putin raises its head in Russian airspace and no one is there to see it ...
CNN said:
October 15, 2008
Palin unaware of Russian energy meeting in Alaska
Posted: 12:45 PM ET

DOVER, New Hampshire (CNN) – The campaign of vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin said the Alaska governor was unaware of a visit by Russian energy officials to Anchorage on Monday.

Eight high-level officials from Gazprom, Russia’s state-controlled energy conglomerate, traveled to Anchorage earlier this week to meet with the Alaska Department of Natural Resources and the chief executive of ConocoPhillips to discuss energy projects and the possibility of expanding into new markets.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/15/palin-unaware-of-russian-energ-meeting-in-alaska/
 
  • #707
Wow, she's really in touch with her subordinates and boy, golly she's got her finger on them Ruskies.

:smile::smile::smile::smile::smile::smile::smile::
 
  • #708
Some Palin supporters in Ohio. I'm sure the interviews were cherry-picked to point out the loons, but the fact that people would say some of these things with a camera rolling is disturbing at the least.

 
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  • #710
turbo-1 said:
Some Palin supporters in Ohio. I'm sure the interviews were cherry-picked to point out the loons, but the fact that people would say some of these things with a camera rolling is disturbing at the least.



Hello, silly season.
 
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  • #711
Peggy Noonan on the Vulgarization by Palin.
Peggy_Noonan said:
Here is a fact of life that is also a fact of politics: You have to hold open the possibility of magic. People can come from nowhere, with modest backgrounds and short résumés, and yet be individuals of real gifts, gifts that had previously been unseen, that had been gleaming quietly under a bushel, and are suddenly revealed. Mrs. Palin came, essentially, from nowhere. But there was a man who came from nowhere, the seeming tool of a political machine, a tidy, narrow, unsophisticated senator appointed to high office and then thrust into power by a careless Franklin D. Roosevelt, whose vanity told him he would live forever. And yet that limited little man was Harry S Truman. Of the Marshall Plan, of containment. Little Harry was big. He had magic. You have to give people time to show what they have. Because maybe they have magic too.

But we have seen Mrs. Palin on the national stage for seven weeks now, and there is little sign that she has the tools, the equipment, the knowledge or the philosophical grounding one hopes for, and expects, in a holder of high office. She is a person of great ambition, but the question remains: What is the purpose of the ambition? She wants to rise, but what for? For seven weeks I’ve listened to her, trying to understand if she is Bushian or Reaganite—a spender, to speak briefly, whose political decisions seem untethered to a political philosophy, and whose foreign policy is shaped by a certain emotionalism, or a conservative whose principles are rooted in philosophy, and whose foreign policy leans more toward what might be called romantic realism, and that is speak truth, know America, be America, move diplomatically, respect public opinion, and move within an awareness and appreciation of reality.

But it’s unclear whether she is Bushian or Reaganite. She doesn’t think aloud. She just . . . says things.

Her supporters accuse her critics of snobbery: Maybe she’s not a big “egghead” but she has brilliant instincts and inner toughness. But what instincts? “I’m Joe Six-Pack”? She does not speak seriously but attempts to excite sensation—“palling around with terrorists.” If the Ayers case is a serious issue, treat it seriously. She is not as thoughtful or persuasive as Joe the Plumber, who in an extended cable interview Thursday made a better case for the Republican ticket than the Republican ticket has made. In the past two weeks she has spent her time throwing out tinny lines to crowds she doesn’t, really, understand. This is not a leader, this is a follower, and she follows what she imagines is the base, which is in fact a vast and broken-hearted thing whose pain she cannot, actually, imagine. She could reinspire and reinspirit; she chooses merely to excite. She doesn’t seem to understand the implications of her own thoughts.

No news conferences? Interviews now only with friendly journalists? You can’t be president or vice president and govern in that style, as a sequestered figure. This has been Mr. Bush’s style the past few years, and see where it got us. You must address America in its entirety, not as a sliver or a series of slivers but as a full and whole entity, a great nation trying to hold together. When you don’t, when you play only to your little piece, you contribute to its fracturing.

In the end the Palin candidacy is a symptom and expression of a new vulgarization in American politics. It’s no good, not for conservatism and not for the country. And yes, it is a mark against John McCain, against his judgment and idealism.
http://www.peggynoonan.com/article.php?article=438
 
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  • #712
McCain could have picked Peggy Noonan as his running mate! She wrote speeches for Reagan and George HW Bush.

Noonan is more qualified than Palin!
 
  • #713
Astronuc said:
McCain could have picked Peggy Noonan as his running mate! She wrote speeches for Reagan and George HW Bush.

Noonan is more qualified than Palin!

Peggy Noonan is not without her own problems I think. But her primary problem is that she has no great unwashed constituency that she could bring to the bottom line vote count. The Palin pick is really an appeal to the basest of human instincts and a willingness to use about any means to get to the office.

Peggy and Kathleen Parker, and Buckley and George Will and others have been rightly put off by the snarling irrational hate mongers like Buchannan and Coulter and their enablers like Hannity and Limbaugh and O'Reilly.

Having been exposed to the snarling teeth of these doberman attackbots, the country and the more intellectual conservatives that they have co-opted have hopefully turned away now from their vision of a divided future.
 
  • #714
ADN said:
Hot-selling mystery author Dana Stabenow was asked by Toronto's Globe and Mail to recommend three books that would help Canadians better understand Alaska -- and perhaps Sarah Palin. "Impossible," Stabenow eventually responded. "How about three bumper stickers instead?"
http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/newsreader/story/561714.html
 
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  • #715
ADN said:
TROOPERGATE: Meeting this week will be held out of state.

By RACHEL D'ORO
The Associated Press

Published: October 20th, 2008 12:02 AM
Last Modified: October 20th, 2008 12:35 AM

Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and her husband will meet this week with an investigator determining whether she violated state ethics law when firing her public safety commissioner.

Thomas Van Flein, the attorney for both Sarah and Todd Palin, said Sunday the separate depositions by an attorney for the Alaska Personnel Board will be held out of state. The investigator, Timothy Petumenos, will fly to meet the Palins.

Van Flein declined to say exactly when or where the interviews will be held, only that they will occur later in the week.

"I estimate each interview will take about three hours," he said.
http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/561465.html

This may end up being more trouble than originally anticipated. How ironic if they brought charges against her for breaking the law.
 
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  • #716
Somebody should ask McCain if he plans on pardoning her if he gets elected. That should get an interesting response.
 
  • #718
ADN said:
Palin breaks with McCain on gay marriage amendment
SAME-SEX UNIONS: Alaska governor would support a nationwide ban.

The Associated Press
Published: October 20th, 2008 10:38 PM
Last Modified: October 20th, 2008 11:30 PM

NEW YORK -- Republican vice-presidential nominee Sarah Palin says she supports a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage, a break with John McCain who has said he believes states should be left to define what marriage is.

In an interview with Christian Broadcasting Network, the Alaska governor said she had voted in 1998 for a state amendment banning same sex marriage and hoped to see a federal ban on such unions.

"I have voted along with the vast majority of Alaskans who had the opportunity to vote to amend our Constitution defining marriage as between one man and one woman. I wish on a federal level that's where we would go. I don't support gay marriage," Palin said. She said she believed traditional marriage is the foundation for strong families.

McCain, an Arizona senator, is supporting a ballot initiative in his state this year that would ban gay marriage. But he has consistently and forcefully opposed a federal marriage amendment, saying it would usurp states' authority on such matters.
http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/562423.html
 
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  • #719
There she goes again rewriting the Constitution Cheney style - on her own.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l40nrw3V3GA

I'm sure the "Piper" is just so proud of her mom.

Imagine how surprised she will be to learn in class someday that mom didn't know what the gosh darn she was talking about.
 
  • #720
The VP is in charge of the Senate? Hmm, the VP gets to ceremoniously gavel the Senate into session, and can cast a tie-breaker vote if necessary. What is left for the Senate Majority Leader and the Senate Minority Leader and their staffs to do if Queen Sarah takes over? She has less of a clue than many grade-school kids.
 
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