1. Limited time only! Sign up for a free 30min personal tutor trial with Chegg Tutors
    Dismiss Notice
Dismiss Notice
Join Physics Forums Today!
The friendliest, high quality science and math community on the planet! Everyone who loves science is here!

Paradox? An infinite set having finite volume?

  1. Feb 16, 2009 #1
    Paradox? An infinite set having finite volume??

    1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
    Find the volume, in terms of k, of the solid made from R rotating about the y-axis, if R is defined as the region bounded by [tex]e^{-x}[/tex] and the coordinate axes.
    2. The attempt at a solution
    Obviously, [tex]\displaystyle\int^{1}_{0} (\ln (y))^2\pi dx = [/tex] undefined... but the region R itself has a finite volume. So if you rotate it shouldn't it have a finite volume?
     
  2. jcsd
  3. Feb 16, 2009 #2

    CompuChip

    User Avatar
    Science Advisor
    Homework Helper

    Re: paradox?

    I assume that you mean
    [tex]
    \displaystyle\int^{1}_{0} (\ln (y))^2\pi dy = [/tex]
    because you are integrating over y.

    The integral can be done, but it is not trivial to find the primitive.

    My suggestion would be to "try"
    [tex]y \ln^2(y)[/tex]
    which upon differentiation gives you in any case the integrand back... then try to cancel out the unwanted term by adding something.

    As for the evaluation of the integral, it looks like it is diverging. However, if you take an appropriate limit, you will still get the correct (finite) answer. The trick here is that your logs will only occur in terms like
    [tex]y \ln y, y \ln^2 y, \cdots[/tex]
    and that the linear term goes to zero faster than the logarithm goes to infinity, as y -> 0.
     
  4. Feb 16, 2009 #3

    Dick

    User Avatar
    Science Advisor
    Homework Helper

    Re: paradox?

    You don't really have to guess the primitive. The systematic way to do the integral is to do integration by parts twice. Start with u=ln(y)^2 dv=dy.
     
  5. Feb 17, 2009 #4
    Re: paradox?

    Yeah I'm getting the following for indefinite integral...

    [tex]\pi x\ln^2 x - 2\pi x\ln x + 2\pi x[/tex]

    But then if you try that with 0 it's undefined so... would the answer be [tex]2\pi[/tex]?
     
  6. Feb 17, 2009 #5

    Dick

    User Avatar
    Science Advisor
    Homework Helper

    Re: paradox?

    CompuChip already said this, but I'll repeat. Things like x*ln(x) may be undefined at x=0, but they do have a limit as x->0. You do have to check that limit is 0 before you can ignore those terms. You can't ignore something just because it's 'undefined'.
     
Know someone interested in this topic? Share this thread via Reddit, Google+, Twitter, or Facebook




Similar Discussions: Paradox? An infinite set having finite volume?
  1. Finite set (Replies: 7)

Loading...