Parametric equations and derivatives

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the total derivative df/dt for a function f(x,y,z) where x, y, and z are functions of t. Participants explore the reasoning behind the formula used for this calculation and seek clarification on its components.

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  • Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks how to calculate df/dt without substituting the values of x, y, and z into f.
  • Another participant provides the formula for the total derivative: df/dt = ∂f/∂x (dx/dt) + ∂f/∂y (dy/dt) + ∂f/∂z (dz/dt).
  • A participant questions the rationale behind adding the contributions of each variable's change to the total change in f.
  • A later reply explains that this formula represents the standard approach for multiple-variable derivatives, emphasizing that changes in t cause corresponding changes in x, y, and z, which collectively affect f.
  • The explanation includes a distinction between partial changes (using ∂) and total changes (using d) in the context of derivatives.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the reasoning behind the total derivative formula, with some seeking clarification while others provide explanations. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the initial question posed.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the continuity and differentiability of the functions involved are not explicitly stated, and the discussion does not resolve the foundational reasoning behind the formula.

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Just a quick question... if we have f(x,y,z) and x(t), y(t), z(t), without substituting in what x y and z are in f, how do we calculate df/dt?
 
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Shaybay92 said:
Just a quick question... if we have f(x,y,z) and x(t), y(t), z(t), without substituting in what x y and z are in f, how do we calculate df/dt?

[tex]\frac {df} {dt} = \frac {\partial f} {\partial x} \frac {dx} {dt} + \frac {\partial f} {\partial y} \frac {dy} {dt} + \frac {\partial f} {\partial z} \frac {dz} {dt}[/tex]
 
Where did this come from? I can't see why we should add the contributions of each?
 
Shaybay92 said:
Where did this come from? I can't see why we should add the contributions of each?

This is the standard formula for multiple-variable derivatives, also called the "total derivative".

In words: if t would increase a little bit, x, y, and z each will change a little bit as well.
This will make f change a little bit as well. There will be a partial change caused by the change in x, and also a partial changed caused by the change in y.
All in all, all the partial changes need to be added.

This is the reason the "round d" is used in ∂f/∂x to signify it's about the partial change of f, due to a change in x. This needs to be multiplied by the change that x takes due to the change in t. Since the last is not a "partial" change, a "regular d" is used as in dx/dt.
 
Thankyou!
 

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