Parametric Equations- Ball travel

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The discussion revolves around the trajectory of a baseball hit from an initial height of 3 feet, focusing on the interpretation of parametric equations and the significance of height values in relation to ground level. Participants explore the implications of coordinate system choices on the representation of the ball's height over time.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether a height of 0 feet in the table of values truly represents ground level, given that the ball was initially at 3 feet.
  • Another participant suggests that the interpretation of height depends on the chosen origin of the coordinate system, indicating that different origins could lead to different representations of ground level.
  • A participant reiterates that the ball will return to a height of 0 feet in the table, but emphasizes that this does not correspond to the actual ground level, as the starting height was 3 feet.
  • One participant confirms that if the x-axis is set at 3 feet above ground level, then a y value of -3 would indeed correspond to ground level.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of height values in relation to ground level, indicating that there is no consensus on how to define ground level based on the initial height and coordinate system used.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependence on the chosen coordinate system and the potential for multiple interpretations of height values in the context of projectile motion.

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Suppose a baseball is hit 3 feet above the ground, and that it leaves the bat at a speed of 100 miles an hour at an angle of 20° from the horizontal.

I've got the parametric equations in terms of x and in terms of y, and I have values plotted and a graph sketched. My question is in regards to the initial height of 3 ft, and the position of the ball when it hits the ground. Now in looking at the table of these values, the y value (corresponding to height) is equal to zero at some point in time. Now if one were to look at the table of values, and see that the height is equal to zero feet at some point, is it true that this is not actually 0 ft, since we started from 3 feet? And if we wanted to find out when the ball hit the ground, we'd need to find when the ball was at -3 feet?
 
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opus said:
Suppose a baseball is hit 3 feet above the ground, and that it leaves the bat at a speed of 100 miles an hour at an angle of 20° from the horizontal.

I've got the parametric equations in terms of x and in terms of y, and I have values plotted and a graph sketched. My question is in regards to the initial height of 3 ft, and the position of the ball when it hits the ground. Now in looking at the table of these values, the y value (corresponding to height) is equal to zero at some point in time. Now if one were to look at the table of values, and see that the height is equal to zero feet at some point, is it true that this is not actually 0 ft, since we started from 3 feet? And if we wanted to find out when the ball hit the ground, we'd need to find when the ball was at -3 feet?
This all depends on where you selected the origin of the coordinate system (height, width). The resulting parabola is the same, but the equations are different. Theoretically you can also set the origin at 2 ft height and end up with -1 ft, or at even more strange places, e.g. on the score board. However, the feet or the bat of the batter is somehow a natural gauge.
 
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So in this attached image, you can see that we're starting from 3 ft above ground. So as soon as the batter hits the ball, the ball will go through a trajectory path. On it's way back down, it will eventually hit 3 feet above ground level. In terms of the table of values, this would be a height of 0. However, this is clearly not the ground as we started from 3 ft. So, by the table of values, y=-3 is equal to ground level?
 

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opus said:
So in this attached image, you can see that we're starting from 3 ft above ground. So as soon as the batter hits the ball, the ball will go through a trajectory path. On it's way back down, it will eventually hit 3 feet above ground level. In terms of the table of values, this would be a height of 0. However, this is clearly not the ground as we started from 3 ft. So, by the table of values, y=-3 is equal to ground level?
Yes. If your horizontal axis (the x-axis) is 3' above ground level, then y = -3 is at ground level.
 
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Thank you both!
 

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