Parametric equations from partial derivatives

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The discussion revolves around finding parametric equations for the tangent line at a specific point on the surface defined by z=f(x,y)=√(9-2x²-y²) where it intersects with the plane y=1. Participants are exploring the relationship between the surface and the plane, particularly focusing on the tangent line's direction vector at the point (√(2),1,2).

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the process of taking partial derivatives and how they relate to finding the tangent line. Questions arise about the origin of components in the direction vector and the method to derive parametric equations from it. There is also an exploration of the curve of intersection between the surface and the plane.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on finding the equation of the curve of intersection, suggesting that plugging y=1 into the surface equation is a necessary step. Others express confusion about mathematical terminology and seek clarification on how to proceed with the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note challenges in understanding the mathematical language used in the problem, which affects their ability to follow the discussion. There is an acknowledgment of the need to find the equation describing the curve of intersection, which remains unresolved for some participants.

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Homework Statement


The surface z=f(x,y)=√(9-2x2-y2) and the plane y=1 intersect in a curve. Find parametric equations for the tangent line at (√(2),1,2).

Homework Equations


Partial derivatives

The Attempt at a Solution


Okay, so I'm just trying to work through an example in my textbook, so technically I have the answer, I just want the in between steps that I can't figure out. I know that you take the partial derivative with respect to x and get

fx(x,y)=0.5(9-2x2-y2)-0.5×(-4x)

and then you plug in the given point (√(2),1,2) and come out with -√(2). But then it goes to say, 'It follows that this line has direction vector <1,0,-√(2)>'.

Where did the 1 and 0 come from? And how do I get the parametric equations from the 'direction vector'?
 
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nindelic said:

Homework Statement


The surface z=f(x,y)=√(9-2x2-y2) and the plane y=1 intersect in a curve. Find parametric equations for the tangent line at (√(2),1,2).

Homework Equations


Partial derivatives

The Attempt at a Solution


Okay, so I'm just trying to work through an example in my textbook, so technically I have the answer, I just want the in between steps that I can't figure out. I know that you take the partial derivative with respect to x and get

fx(x,y)=0.5(9-2x2-y2)-0.5×(-4x)

and then you plug in the given point (√(2),1,2) and come out with -√(2). But then it goes to say, 'It follows that this line has direction vector <1,0,-√(2)>'.

Where did the 1 and 0 come from? And how do I get the parametric equations from the 'direction vector'?
Hello nindelic. Welcome to PF !
Find an equation which describes the curve of intersection. This will give z as a function of x along this curve.
 
SammyS said:
Hello nindelic. Welcome to PF !
Find an equation which describes the curve of intersection. This will give z as a function of x along this curve.

Thank you, SammyS! And okay, I don't know what that means. A big part of my problem I'd say is understanding math speak. If all I have is numbers then I can do about anything, but throw some words in there and I am completely lost. So what exactly does that mean? Like using different coordinates?

I tried finding the partial derivative with respect to y but that didn't help at all. I tried solving the equation and the partial WRT x for the other variables but that didn't help. I just don't know where the 1 or 0 came from the in the direction vector...
 
The initial statement in your Original Post, is:
"The surface z=f(x,y)=√(9-2x2-y2) and the plane y=1 intersect in a curve."​
Can you give the equation describing this curve?
 
SammyS said:
The initial statement in your Original Post, is:
"The surface z=f(x,y)=√(9-2x2-y2) and the plane y=1 intersect in a curve."​
Can you give the equation describing this curve?

No, I'm not sure how to find it.
 
nindelic said:
No, I'm not sure how to find it.

Plug y = 1 into the equation of the surface.
 
Okay so then the equation of the intersecting curve is:

z=f(x,y)=√(9-2x^2-1)?

But how does that help me?
 
nindelic said:
Okay so then the equation of the intersecting curve is:

z=f(x,y)=√(9-2x^2-1)?

But how does that help me?
Now you can find dz/dx along the curve of intersection?

What can that tell you?
 
SammyS said:
Now you can find dz/dx along the curve of intersection?

What can that tell you?

It tells you the rate of change of the intersection with respect to x.

dz/dx= (0.5(8-2x^2)^-0.5)*(-4x)
 
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nindelic said:
It tells you the rate of change of the intersection with respect to x.

dz/dx= (0.5(8-2x^2)^-0.5)*(-4x)

What is this rate when x = 1 ?
 
  • #11
-2/sqrt(6)
 
  • #12
SammyS said:
What is this rate when x = 1 ?

nindelic said:
-2/sqrt(6)
DUH! ...

I should have asked, "What is this rate when x = √2 ?".
 

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