Parametric Surface Homework: Finding Upper & Lower Values

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This discussion revolves around a problem in calculus involving a parametric surface defined by the equation \(\vec{r}(u,v) = \langle u+v, u-v, 1-2u \rangle\). The original poster is tasked with setting up a surface integral and determining the appropriate bounds for the parameters \(u\) and \(v\) based on given points in three-dimensional space.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to find the bounds for \(u\) and \(v\) by substituting points into the parametric equations. Some participants question the validity of the proposed bounds, suggesting that they may not accurately represent the region defined by the points. Others inquire about formal methods for determining boundaries when given a complex parametrization.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the identification of the triangular region in the \(u,v\) plane, and there is a recognition of the need for a more precise method to establish boundaries in more complex scenarios.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the original poster's proposed bounds create a four-sided polygon rather than the intended triangular region. There is also mention of the need to verify the correctness of the points on the surface based on the parametric equations.

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Homework Statement



This is a part of a bigger problem I am working on for my calculus 3 class. There is a parametric surface: [itex]^{\vec{}}r(u,v)=<u+v,u-v,1-2u>[/itex]
It represents the plane through points (1,0,0), (0,1,0) (0,0,1). As part of the problem, I need to set up a surface integral (specifically through this parametrization) and evaluate it. Now, what is the proper way of finding the upper and lower value for u and v?

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The Attempt at a Solution


I tried plugging the values x,y and z from the above given points into the following system: [itex]^{}X(u,v)=u+v, Y(u,v)=u-v, Z(u,v)=1-2u[/itex]

As result, I obtained 3 pairs of u and v: [itex]^{}u=1/2,v=1/2 (for (1,0,0));u=0,v=0 (for (0,0,1)); u=1/2,v=-1/2 (for (0,1,0))[/itex]

Is it mathematically correct to send the double integral over the parametric region for [itex]^{}u\epsilon[0,1/2][/itex] and [itex]^{}v\epsilon[-1/2,1/2][/itex] ?










 
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No, u in [0,1/2] and v in [-1/2,1/2] is a four sided polygon. What you want is a three sided polygon. As you've already figured out, the vertices are (u,v)=(1/2,1/2), (0,0) and (1/2,-1/2). That's a triangle, right? The upper and lower limits can't both be constants.
 
thank you :) You are right. I have actually figured this one out last night. I temporarily made an explicit (x,y) parametrization to the surface and saw that its identical to the one given through (u,v). It was easy from there. I guess my question is whether there is any formal method on finding boundaries of (u,v) when you are given a surface in x,y,z and a complicated parametrization? What if the case is not as obvious as the one I had above?
 
You have [itex]\vec{r}= <u+ v, u- v, 1- 2u>[/itex] and your vertices are (1,0,0), (0,1,0), and (0,0,1).

For the first point, you must have u+ v= 1, u- v= 0. Adding the two equations, 2u= 1 so u= 1/2. Then, of course, v= 1/2 also. Check the last coordinate: 1- 2(1/2)= 0. If that last didn't check, the point would not be on this surface.

For the second point, you must have u+ v= 0, u- v= 1. Adding the two equations give 2u= 1 so u= 1/2 but now v= -1/2. Again, 1- 2(1/2)= 0.

For the third point, you must have u+ v= 0, u- v= 0. Those two equations give the obvious u= 0, v= 0 and, of course, 1-2(0)= 1.

That is, your triangle has vertices, in the "(u, v) plane" (0, 0), (1/2, -1/2), and (1/2, 1/2).

The line from (0, 0) to (1/2, 1/2) is v= u. The line from (0, 0) to (1/2, -1/2) is v= -u.
You need u from 0 to 1/2 and, for each u, v from -u to u.

And your differential, in terms of du and dv is?
 

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