Parametrizing a Self-Intersecting Rectangle

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The discussion revolves around finding a parametrization for a self-intersecting rectangle in ##\mathbb{R}^3## defined by the implicit equation ##x^2−y^2z = 0##. Participants explore the nature of the surface and the challenges associated with defining limits for the parameters involved.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss letting ##z = f(x,y)## for parametrization and suggest a form ##\Phi(u,v) = (u,v,\displaystyle \frac{u^2}{v^2})##. There is uncertainty about the limits for ##u## and ##v##. Some participants consider the implications of setting ##z = c^2## and question the necessity of restricting ##z## to non-negative values. Others suggest examining traces of the surface for different values of ##z## and explore the consequences of allowing negative values.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants raising questions about the assumptions made regarding the parameterization and the nature of the surface. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of parametric plots and the implications of different parameter choices, but no consensus has been reached on the limits for the parameters.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that ##v## must be non-zero and discuss the implications of allowing ##z## to take negative values, indicating a potential gap in understanding the surface's definition. There is also mention of the need for limits on parameters, particularly in relation to the behavior of the surface as defined by the implicit equation.

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Homework Statement


Let S be the self-intersecting rectangle in ##\mathbb{R}^3## given by the implicit equation ##x^2−y^2z = 0##. Find a parametrization for S.

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The Attempt at a Solution


This is my first encounter with a surface like this. The first thing that came to my mind was letting ##z = f(x,y)## so that the parametrization can be given as:

##\Phi(u,v) = (u,v,\displaystyle \frac{u^2}{v^2})##

The problem I'm having is finding the limits for ##u## and ##v##. When I plugged the implicit equation into Mathematica, the surface looks like an X shape from above, though I had to expand the range for the axes by a very large amount for it to look like that. I do know that ##v## has to be non-zero, but that's pretty much it.
 
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Karnage1993 said:

Homework Statement


Let S be the self-intersecting rectangle in ##\mathbb{R}^3## given by the implicit equation ##x^2−y^2z = 0##. Find a parametrization for S.


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The Attempt at a Solution


This is my first encounter with a surface like this. The first thing that came to my mind was letting ##z = f(x,y)## so that the parametrization can be given as:

##\Phi(u,v) = (u,v,\displaystyle \frac{u^2}{v^2})##

The problem I'm having is finding the limits for ##u## and ##v##. When I plugged the implicit equation into Mathematica, the surface looks like an X shape from above, though I had to expand the range for the axes by a very large amount for it to look like that. I do know that ##v## has to be non-zero, but that's pretty much it.

If you look at the traces when ##z = c^2## for you get ##x^2-y^2c^2=0## so the level curves of that surface are ##(x+cy)(x-cy)=0##, which is two intersecting straight lines. I would think about letting one of the parameters be ##z=c^2,\ y = y## and doing it as two pieces. That would certainly solve your range problem and also eliminates your problem when ##c=0##.
 
I don't quite get why you set ##z = c^2 \ge 0##. For example, if ##x=0,y=0## and ##z## negative, that also satisfies the equation, right?
 
Karnage1993 said:
I don't quite get why you set ##z = c^2 \ge 0##. For example, if ##x=0,y=0## and ##z## negative, that also satisfies the equation, right?

Yes. It's a bit strange though. The ##z## axis solves the equation alright, but there is no surface if ##z<0##. You just have the bare axis. I wouldn't include it as part of the parameterization, but your mileage may vary.
 
Okay, so suppose one piece of the surface is when ##x = cy##. How would I go about finding the limits for ##c,y##?
 
Karnage1993 said:
Okay, so suppose one piece of the surface is when ##x = cy##. How would I go about finding the limits for ##c,y##?

You know ##c## parameterizes the ##z## axis which is ##z\ge 0## for our purposes, and we are using ##c^2## for convience, so ##c\ge 0## is easy. Then those straight lines go forever so you wouldn't have any limit on ##y##. Have you tried a parametric plot to compare with your original plot?
 

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