Partial Derivative Chain Rule for u(x, t) in terms of f and its Derivatives

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The discussion revolves around finding the partial derivative of the function u(x, t) = f(x + ct) with respect to x, where f(x) is a function with an existing second derivative and c is a positive constant. Participants are exploring the application of the partial derivative chain rule in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • One participant attempts to express the partial derivative using a more complex relationship involving functions of f, while others question the validity of this approach, suggesting a simpler method focused on the direct relationship between u and f.

Discussion Status

The discussion has seen some clarification regarding the notation and approach to the problem. Participants are converging on a more straightforward interpretation of the partial derivative, with one confirming the validity of the simpler expression for the derivative.

Contextual Notes

There is some confusion regarding the notation and the relationship between the variables, particularly the suggestion that x could be a function of f. This has led to a reconsideration of the approach to the problem.

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Homework Statement



Say that [tex]f(x)[/tex] is some function whose second derivative exists and say [tex]u(x, t)=f(x + ct)[/tex] for [tex]c > 0[/tex]. Determine

[tex]\frac{\partial u}{\partial x}[/tex]

In terms of [tex]f[/tex] and its derivatives.

Homework Equations



PD Chain rule.

The Attempt at a Solution



Say that x and y are both functions of f, ie. [tex]x = x(f)[/tex] and [tex]y = y(f)[/tex]. Then,

[tex]\frac{\partial u}{\partial x}=\frac{\partial }{\partial x}u(x(f),y(f))\frac{dx}{d f}(x(f))[/tex]

[tex]\frac{\partial u}{\partial x}=\frac{\partial }{\partial x}u(x,y)\frac{dx}{d f}(x(f))=\frac{\partial }{\partial x}f(x+ct)\frac{dx}{d f}(x+ct)[/tex]

[tex]\frac{\partial u}{\partial x}=f'(x+ct)[/tex]

Does that make any sense? It's mainly the notation that I don't understand, especially the "let x and y be functions of the same variable part."
 
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No. That doesn't make any sense at all. You said f is a function of x+ct. That x would then be a function of f is crazy talk. What you've got there is just finding the partial derivative of f(x+ct) with respect to x where x and t are the independent variables.
 
Thanks for the reply. So should I just disregard that extra function part and just write

[tex]\frac{\partial }{\partial x}u(x,t)=\frac{\partial }{\partial x}f(x+ct)=\frac{\partial }{\partial x}f(x+ct)\frac{d }{d x}(x+ct)=f'(x+ct)[/tex]

?
 
Screwdriver said:
Thanks for the reply. So should I just disregard that extra function part and just write

[tex]\frac{\partial }{\partial x}u(x,t)=\frac{\partial }{\partial x}f(x+ct)=\frac{\partial }{\partial x}f(x+ct)\frac{d }{d x}(x+ct)=f'(x+ct)[/tex]

?

Yes, exactly.
 
Okay. Thanks again :smile:
 

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