Partial Derivative Notation in Chemistry Thermodynamics

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The discussion revolves around the notation used for partial derivatives in the context of chemical thermodynamics, particularly how it relates to the properties of mixtures and the implications of holding certain variables constant.

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  • Participants explore the necessity of specifying constant variables in partial derivative notation, questioning whether the notation is redundant or essential for clarity.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the justification for using subscripts in partial derivatives, with some participants expressing agreement on the perceived redundancy while others provide reasoning for their necessity. The discussion is productive, with participants engaging in clarifying the implications of variable independence.

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Participants reference foundational calculus concepts and their application in thermodynamics, indicating a potential gap in understanding the notation's significance in the context of statistical physics.

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I am currently doing a class on chemical thermodynamics which involves a fair amount of calculus. So far it is going well, however i have a very quick question about the notation being used for partial derivatives.

If there is some property of a mixture, K=K(T,P), then the differential change in that propety is given by:

<br /> dK = \left(\frac{\partial K}{\partial T}\right)_P dT + \left(\frac{\partial K}{\partial P}\right)_T dP<br />

Where the subscripts T and P imply that they are being held constant. My question is -- Does the partial derivative not already imply everything except for one variable is held constant? Would \frac{\partial K}{\partial T}, by definition, be the change in K when ONLY T changes, without having to specift that P is held constant?

I guess what i am asking is -- is there is a difference between \frac{\partial K}{\partial T} and \left(\frac{\partial K}{\partial T}\right)_P that i was not made aware of in my first year calculus courses?
 
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I agree with you. The P and T subscripts seem redundant to me, for exactly the same reason you gave.
 
Thanks Mark for clearing that up. I find it a bit strange that the book does it, because it really just makes equations look messier than they should.
 
I'm open to someone who can give a justification for those subscripts.
 
As a justification, suppose u=y/x and v=ux. Is \partial v/\partial x=u just because you only see that one occurrence of x directly in the equation for v? Of course not. That u in the equation for v is not truly an independent variable -- and neither are most of the variables involved in statistical physics.
 
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As a justification, suppose u=y/x and v=ux. Is \partial v/\partial x=u just because you only see that one occurrence of x directly in the equation for v? Of course not. That u in the equation for v is not truly an independent variable -- and neither are most of the variables involved in statistical physics.

So are you saying that \partial v/\partial x \ne u, but \left(\partial v/\partial x\right)_u = u? Have i understood you correctly?
 
Exactly.
 
Alright :smile:

Thanks for shedding some light on that
 

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