Partial Derivatives - Finding tangent in a volume?

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The discussion revolves around finding the tangent line to an ellipse formed by the intersection of the ellipsoid 4x^2 + 2y^2 + z^2 = 16 and the plane y = 2. Participants are exploring the implications of this intersection and the nature of the tangent line within the specified context.

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  • Participants are attempting to clarify how to find the tangent line to the ellipse and whether the problem involves partial derivatives. Questions arise about the nature of the ellipse's equation and the implications of working within a plane versus a volume.

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Some participants have provided insights into the nature of the ellipse in the y=2 plane and the relevance of partial derivatives. There is an ongoing exploration of how to express the tangent line and the relationship between the variables involved.

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Not sure I understand exactly what this question is asking. This is obviously a volume in R3 and so how do you get a tangent inside a volume? Or is it just along the plane y = 2 intersecting the volume? Also, what is a parametric equation...? Thanks for the help:

Question:
The ellipsoid 4x^2 + 2y^2 + z^2 = 16 intersects the plane y = 2 in an ellipse. Find parametric equations for the tangent line to this ellipse at the point (1,2,2).

Attempt:
I substituted in y = 2 and got the equation 4x^2 + z^2 = 8. Do I just find what the partial derivatives are at the point (1,2)? And would the tangents be combinations of these two derivatives...?
 
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You want to find the tangent line to an ellipse. The ellipse lies in the plane y=2, so you don't have to worry about tangent lines in a volume. Solve for the ellipse in the XZ-plane at y=2, and find its tangent at (x,z)=(1,2). You should be able to convince yourself that the tangent to the ellipse lies in the y=2 plane. And (1,2) better be a point on this ellipse (it is) or there is something wrong with the problem statement.
 
Thanks but I'm not so good with ellipse equations and I don't really understand, if y=2 then the ellipse would be 4x^2 + z^2 = 8 right... but this isn't an equation of two variables is it? Because its an implicit function of z (is this correct?). So solving for z would give a one variable function but then it is not partial derivatives because its only a single variable function right?
 
I'm not a homework helper. I'm just filling in for a short moment, but, yes, 4x^2 + z^2 = 8 is an equation of two variables.

For the elliptical curve, all the partial derivatives with respect to y disappear. The curve is stuck in the y=2 plane. So obviously it doesn't change with y.
 
Yes, the ellipse, in the plane y= 2 is [itex]4x^2+ z^2= 8[/itex]. To find the equation of the tangent line at (1, 2, 2), you can either think of z as a function of x or x as a function of z.

Since "z as a function of x" seems more natural, by "implicit differentiation", [itex]4x + 2z z'= 0[/itex] gives, at (1, 2, 2), [itex]4+ 4z'= 0[/itex] so that z'= -1.

Find z= ax+ b for that slope and point and include y= 2. If you want parametric equations, let x= t, z= at+ b, y= 2.
 
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