Partial Derivatives for Functions f(z) of a Complex Variable.

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The discussion revolves around the concept of partial derivatives for functions of a complex variable, specifically addressing the theoretical underpinnings and implications of treating complex functions in terms of their real components. Participants explore the relationship between complex variables and their representation in terms of real variables.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the validity of discussing partial derivatives for a function of a single complex variable, suggesting that it only makes sense for functions of multiple variables.
  • Another participant introduces the idea that complex functions can be expressed in terms of real variables, specifically through the identification of complex numbers with pairs of real numbers, allowing for the use of partial derivatives.
  • It is noted that analytic functions are considered true functions of a complex variable, and that the representation of a complex function can be decomposed into real functions, thus enabling the application of partial derivatives.
  • A participant raises concerns about the implications of treating a complex function as dependent on two real variables, questioning whether this leads to a functional dependence between the complex variable and its real components.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of differentiability in the context of complex analysis versus real analysis, particularly regarding the Cauchy-Riemann equations and their role in determining differentiability.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriateness of using partial derivatives for complex functions, with some supporting the idea based on the real representation of complex variables, while others maintain that the concept is not applicable due to the nature of complex variables. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views present.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential confusion arising from the relationship between differentiability in real and complex contexts, as well as the implications of diffeomorphism between real and complex spaces. There are unresolved questions regarding the dependence of complex variables on their real counterparts and the conditions under which differentiability holds.

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Hi, Everyone:

I was never clear n this point: given that z is a single complex variable,
how/why does it make sense to talk about z having partial derivatives.?

I mean, if we are given, say, f(x,y); R<sup>2</sup> -->R<sup>n</sup>
then it makes sense to talk about f<sub>x</sub> and f<sub>y</sub>, since
x and y are different variables. But , in f(z), z is a single variable, so there are no
additional variables to refer to, to meaningfully talk about partial derivatives.

Is it the case that a function of a complex variable z is also a function of two complex
variables.?. If not, is there a formal/theoretical argument to support this use.?
Thanks.
 
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If we were to use the natural identification [tex]\mathbf{R}^2 \simeq \mathbf{C}[/tex], then you can write a complex valued function on [tex]\mathbf{R}^2[/tex] via:

[tex]f(x,y) = f\left( \frac{z+\bar z}{2}, \frac{z-\bar z}{2\mathrm{i}}\right) \equiv F(z,\bar z)[/tex]

The notion of complex differentiability is determined by the Cauchy-Riemann equations: [tex]\partial F/\partial \bar z =0[/tex].
 
Anthony's argument supports the idea that analytic functions are true functions of a complex variable as opposed to simply complex functions of two real variables.

As to your very first question, I'm not sure what the problem is. We can write a complex function of a complex variable as f(x + iy) = u(x,y) + iv(x,y), where u and v are real functions. Partial derivatives then work exactly as they do in real analysis...
 
But you do say that f(z) is a function of two real variables, through:

f(z)=u(x,y)+iv(x,y) .?

Only then does it make sense to take partials f_x and f_y.

But if f is a function of z as well as a function of x,y, is there
some functional dependence between z and x and z and y.?

My point is that if an analytic function depends only on a single
complex variable, then the argument z has only 1 "part" , so that
a partial derivative would not make sense, just like the partial
derivative of a function of a single real variable would not make sense.
(unlike a function f(x,y) , whose argument has two "parts" )


I thought that, re what Anthony said, that we may be using implicitly,
the diffeomorphism between C and R^2 : x+iy -->(x,y) .

But this last (maybe combined with my lack of sleep )seems confusing,
since there are functions f: R^2-->R that are differentiable , while those
same functions f are not differentiable as functions from C-->R (specifically,
all differentiable functions that don't satisfy Cauchy-Riemann ) ; I thought
that if manifolds M,N were diffeomorphic, that meant that every function f:M-->R
is differentiable iff f:N-->R is also differentiable.

Hope I am not too far of.
 

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