Partial Derivatives Using Chain Rule

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The discussion revolves around the evaluation of a specific expression involving partial derivatives using the chain rule, where the function ω is defined in terms of two variables u and v, which are themselves functions of x, y, and z.

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  • Participants explore the application of the chain rule to compute partial derivatives and question the relationships between the functions involved. There is a discussion on whether certain functions can be considered equivalent despite having different variable inputs.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the use of the chain rule and the evaluation of the derivatives, while others are questioning the assumptions made about the functions and their variables. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of these assumptions without a clear consensus reached.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of differentiating composite functions and the implications of variable dependencies in their evaluations. There is a recognition of the need for clarity regarding the definitions of the functions involved.

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Homework Statement


Suppose ω = g(u,v) is a differentiable function of u = x/y and v = z/y.
Using the chain rule evaluate $$x \frac{\partial ω}{\partial x} + y \frac {\partial ω}{\partial y} + z \frac {\partial ω}{\partial z}$$

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u = f(x,y)
v = h(y,z)
∂ω/∂x = (∂ω/∂u)(∂u/∂x)
∂ω/∂y = (∂ω/∂u)(∂u/∂y)
∂ω/∂z = (∂ω/∂v)(∂v/∂z)

Is this correct so far? Because I don't know how I would take the partials w.r.t. u and v.
 
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Yes. And ##\ {\partial \omega \over \partial u} = \ {\partial g \over \partial u}\ ## etc. Which you don't have to work out any further (because you don't know what g is). But you do know what u and v are, so those have to be evaluated.
 
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A way to write it to make it easier is to define function ##\omega:\mathbb{R}^3\to \mathbb{R}## to be the composition of ##g## with ##f## by ##\omega(x,y,z)=g(f(x,y),f(y,z))##. Note that we don't need ##h## because ##f## and ##h## are the same function, which just returns the quotient of its first argument to its second.

Then the chain rule for ##x## is

$$\frac{\partial \omega}{\partial x}=\frac{\partial g}{\partial u}(u,v)\bigg|_{(u,v)=(f(x,y),f(y,z))}\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}(x,y)
+\frac{\partial g}{\partial v}(u,v)\bigg|_{(u,v)=(f(x,y),f(y,z))}\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}(y,z)$$

and similarly for the other two. In some cases, one of the two terms will be zero, for instance ##\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}(y,z)=0## because ##x## is not amongst the arguments to ##f## in that expression, but in some cases both terms may be nonzero.
 
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How can f(x,y) and f(y,z) be the same function if they are functions of different variables?
 
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How can f(x,y) and f(y,z) be the same function if they are functions of different variables?
The variables aren't important. It's what the function does with the variables that is important. For example g(t) = t2 + 1 is the same as g(u) = u2 + 1. In this example, g maps a number to the square of that number plus 1.
 
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Is this the correct answer?

##x(∂ω/∂x)+y(∂ω/∂y)+z(∂ω/∂z)=x(∂g/∂u)(∂f/∂x)+y(∂g/∂u)(∂f/∂y)+y(∂g/∂v)(∂f/∂y)+z(∂g/∂v)(∂f/∂z)
=x(1/y)(∂g/∂u)−y(x/y^2)(∂g/∂u)−y(z/y^2)(∂g/∂v)+z(1/y)(∂g/∂v)=u(∂g/∂u)-u(∂g/∂u)-v(∂g/∂v)+v(∂g/∂v)=0##
 
Looks right to me :smile:
 
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Thanks, everyone.
 

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