Partial differentiaton question, how to distinguish between u and f (u )

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The discussion revolves around a partial differentiation problem involving the function V=xf(u) where u=y/x. The original poster seeks clarification on whether u is equivalent to f(u) and aims to show a specific equation involving second derivatives of V.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to differentiate the product of x and y/x but expresses uncertainty about the process. Some participants clarify that u is not the same as f(u) and suggest using product and chain rules for differentiation. Others raise questions about how to derive the required form from the differentiation process.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively discussing the differentiation steps needed to approach the problem. Some guidance has been provided regarding the application of product and chain rules, but the original poster still expresses confusion about how to reach the desired equation.

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There is an indication that the original poster may be struggling with the implications of the relationships between u and f(u), as well as the necessary differentiation techniques. The discussion reflects a lack of complete understanding of the required steps to simplify the expression to the form requested in the problem statement.

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Homework Statement


Partial differentiation question

V=xf(u) and u=y/x, show that x^2. d2v/dx2 + 2xy. d2v/dxdy + y^2. d2V/dy2 = 0
Is u the same as f(u)

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V=xf(u) and u=y/x

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do you just differentiate the product of x.y/x
 
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No, u is not the same as f(u).

You need to use the product and chain rules. For example, to calculate ∂V/∂x, you'd start by applying the product rule to get
\begin{equation*}
\frac{\partial V}{\partial x} = \frac{\partial}{\partial x}[xf(u)] = f(u) + x \frac{\partial f(u)}{\partial x}
\end{equation*}
To calculate the second term, you need to use the chain rule, which says
\begin{equation*}
\frac{\partial f}{\partial x} = \frac{\partial f}{\partial u}\frac{\partial u}{\partial x} = -\frac{y}{x^2}\frac{\partial f}{\partial u}
\end{equation*}
So you have
\begin{equation*}
\frac{\partial V}{\partial x} = f(u) - \frac{y}{x} \frac{\partial f}{\partial u} = f(u) - u\frac{\partial f}{\partial u}
\end{equation*}
 
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Thankyou very much but i still cannot understand how that may lead to the form which the question wants us to show, thanks.
 
Well, you have a way to go. Starting from vela's advice, you need to calculate ∂2V/∂x2, ∂V/∂y, ∂2V/∂y2, and ∂2V/(∂x∂y), and then substitute them into the left side of your equation, which should simplify to zero.
 

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