Solving this partial differential equation

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The discussion revolves around solving a partial differential equation using variable transformations and the chain rule. Participants explore the implications of different choices for constants and the application of the chain rule in the context of the problem.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the effects of choosing specific constants, such as setting a=3, on the form of the solution. There are inquiries about the validity of certain calculations and the application of the chain rule in different contexts.

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The conversation includes various interpretations of the problem and attempts to clarify the application of mathematical principles. Some participants express confusion about specific calculations, while others suggest alternative approaches to understanding the problem.

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There are indications of differing levels of understanding regarding the application of the chain rule and the transformations used in the problem. Participants are encouraged to clarify their reasoning and assumptions as they engage with the material.

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Homework Statement
Solve the differential equation ##\frac{{\partial{f}}}{{\partial{x}}}-3\frac{{\partial{f}}}{{\partial{y}}}=0## by introducing the variables ##u=ax+y, v=x## and choosing the constant ##a## appropriately.
Relevant Equations
The chain rule for multivariable functions.
Introducing the new variables ##u## and ##v##, the chain rule gives

##\dfrac{{\partial{f}}}{{\partial{x}}}=\dfrac{{\partial{f}}}{{\partial{u}}} \dfrac{{\partial{u}}}{{\partial{x}}}+\dfrac{{\partial{f}}}{{\partial{v}}} \dfrac{{\partial{v}}}{{\partial{x}}}##

##-3\dfrac{{\partial{f}}}{{\partial{y}}}=-3(\dfrac{{\partial{f}}}{{\partial{u}}} \dfrac{{\partial{u}}}{{\partial{y}}}+\dfrac{{\partial{f}}}{{\partial{v}}} \dfrac{{\partial{v}}}{{\partial{y}}})##
##\dfrac{{\partial{u}}}{{\partial{x}}}## equals ##a## and ##\dfrac{{\partial{v}}}{{\partial{x}}}=1##. Also ##\dfrac{{\partial{u}}}{{\partial{y}}}=1## and ##\dfrac{{\partial{v}}}{{\partial{y}}}=0##. So

##\dfrac{{\partial{f}}}{{\partial{x}}}=a\dfrac{{\partial{f}}}{{\partial{u}}}+\dfrac{{\partial{f}}}{{\partial{v}}}##

##-3\dfrac{{\partial{f}}}{{\partial{y}}}=-3\dfrac{{\partial{f}}}{{\partial{u}}}##

##\implies \dfrac{{\partial{f}}}{{\partial{x}}}-3\dfrac{{\partial{f}}}{{\partial{y}}}=\dfrac{{\partial{f}}}{{\partial{u}}}(a-3)+\dfrac{{\partial{f}}}{{\partial{v}}}##
The last equality should also equal ##0##. How does one go from here to find the solution ##f##?
 
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Note the phrase that says, "choosing the constant a appropriately" Is there any choice of a that makes the problem easy?
 
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Bonus question. Solve for ##x>0## and ##y>0## the differential equation

##x\dfrac{{\partial{f}}}{{\partial{x}}}+y\dfrac{{\partial{f}}}{{\partial{y}}}=y \quad (1)##​

by introducing the new variables ##x=u## and ##y=\frac{u}{v}##. The chain rule gives

##\dfrac{{\partial{f}}}{{\partial{x}}}=\dfrac{{\partial{f}}}{{\partial{u}}} \dfrac{{\partial{u}}}{{\partial{x}}}+\dfrac{{\partial{f}}}{{\partial{\frac{u}{v}}}} \dfrac{{\partial{\frac{u}{v}}}}{{\partial{x}}}##

##\dfrac{{\partial{f}}}{{\partial{y}}}=\dfrac{{\partial{f}}}{{\partial{u}}} \dfrac{{\partial{u}}}{{\partial{y}}}+\dfrac{{\partial{f}}}{{\partial{\frac{u}{v}}}} \dfrac{{\partial{\frac{u}{v}}}}{{\partial{y}}}##
From the change of variables it follows that ##u(x)=x, v(x)=\frac{x}{y}, u(y)=vy## and ##v(y)=\frac{u}{y}##. Then

##\dfrac{{\partial{u}}}{{\partial{x}}}=1##,
##\dfrac{{\partial{\frac{u}{v}}}}{{\partial{x}}}=\dfrac{u'(x)v(x)-u(x)v'(x)}{v(x)^2}=\dfrac{\frac{x}{y}-\frac{x}{y}}{\frac{x^2}{y^2}}=0##,
##\dfrac{{\partial{u}}}{{\partial{y}}}=v##,
##\dfrac{{\partial{\frac{u}{v}}}}{{\partial{y}}}=\dfrac{u'(y)v(y)-u(y)v'(y)}{v(y)^2}=\dfrac{\frac{uv}{y}+\frac{vyu}{y^2}}{\frac{u^2}{y^2}}=\dfrac{2vy}{u}=2##,
So ##(1)## is equivalent to

##u\dfrac{{\partial{f}}}{{\partial{u}}}+\dfrac{u}{v}(\dfrac{{\partial{f}}}{{\partial{u}}}v+\dfrac{{\partial{f}}}{{\partial{\frac{u}{v}}}}2)=\frac{u}{v}##

##\iff \quad 2(\dfrac{{\partial{f}}}{{\partial{u}}}+\dfrac{1}{v}\dfrac{{\partial{f}}}{{\partial{\frac{u}{v}}}})=\frac{1}{v}##​
How can one evaluate this expression further?
 
Before we move on, what was your solution to the first question?
 
phyzguy said:
Before we move on, what was your solution to the first question?
Choosing ##a=3## yields ##f(u,v)=C_2u^k+C_1##, where ##C_2,C_1,k\in\mathbf{R}##, which can be reformulated as a function depending only on ##u=3x+y##.
 
schniefen said:
Choosing ##a=3## yields ##f(u,v)=C_2u^k+C_1##, where ##C_2,C_1,k\in\mathbf{R}##, which can be reformulated as a function depending only on ##u=3x+y##.
Ignoring the constants, does the function f(u) have to be of the form f(u) = u^k?
 
No, any function ##f(3x+y)## that is differentiable will do.
 
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I personally have problem understanding your work and how you apply the chain rule in #3 (at some point you calculate ##\frac{\partial\frac{u}{v}}{\partial y}=2## when it is obviously that ##y=\frac{u}{v}## hence that partial derivative is equal to 1).

I suggest you write down ##u(x,y)## and ##v(x,y)## as functions of x,y and then apply (in a standard way) the chain rule for partial derivatives as
$$\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}=\frac{\partial f}{\partial u}\frac{\partial u}{\partial x}+\frac{\partial f}{\partial v}\frac{\partial v}{\partial x}$$ and
$$\frac{\partial f}{\partial y}=\frac{\partial f}{\partial u}\frac{\partial u}{\partial y}+\frac{\partial f}{\partial v}\frac{\partial v}{\partial y}$$
 
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