Partial Fractions: Solve k1b1/[((k1+b1*s)(k2+b2*s))-b1^{2}s^{2}]

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The problem involves finding the partial fraction decomposition of the expression k1b1/[((k1+b1*s)(k2+b2*s))-b1^{2}s^{2}]. The context relates to transfer functions in systems involving springs and dampers.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the difficulty of separating the expression into partial fractions and consider the need to factor the denominator. Some suggest expanding the denominator into a quadratic form and using the quadratic formula to find roots.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their thoughts on how to approach the problem. There is no explicit consensus on the method to be used, and some participants express uncertainty about the feasibility of separating the expression.

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There is mention of a potential need for the original problem statement to clarify the context further. Participants are also navigating the complexities introduced by the terms in the denominator.

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Homework Statement



Turn this into partial fraction.
k1b1/[((k1+b1*s)(k2+b2*s))-b1[tex]^{2}[/tex]s[tex]^{2}[/tex]]

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The Attempt at a Solution



original question was to find the transfer function with springs and a damper and I reduced it to this far but I can't get the partial fraction.
once i get that particle fractions, i take the inverse laplace transform and get the answer.
 
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[tex]\frac{k_1b_1}{(k_1+b_1s)(k_2+b_2s)-b_1^2s^2}[/tex]

Yes?
 
yeap :)
 
well is this impossible to separate?
i did other problems but i am just stuck on this one.
let me know if you need the actual problem statement...
 
you want, of course, to factor the denominator. I think I would be inclined to multiply out that first part and combine coefficients of like powers. It will be, of course, a quadratic. At worst, you could set the denominator equal to 0 and solve the equation by the quadratic formula.
 
[tex]\frac{k_1b_1}{(k_1+b_1s)(k_2+b_2s)-b_1^2s^2}[/tex]

krnhseya, just expand the bottom line into the form [tex]as^2\,+\,bs\,+\,c[/tex], and then factor it using the good ol' (-b ±√b^2 - 4ac)/2a. :smile:
 
tiny-tim said:
[tex]\frac{k_1b_1}{(k_1+b_1s)(k_2+b_2s)-b_1^2s^2}[/tex]

krnhseya, just expand the bottom line into the form [tex]as^2\,+\,bs\,+\,c[/tex], and then factor it using the good ol' (-b ±√b^2 - 4ac)/2a. :smile:

well that b1 squared and s squared at the end...it cancells the expansion of the squared part...
 
No, it doesn't …

It's [tex]k_1k_2\,+\,(b_1k_2\,+\,b_2k_1)s\,+\,b_1(b_2\,-\,b_1)s^2[/tex]
 

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