Particle Acceleration: Micro Singularities & Future Plans

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The discussion revolves around the concept of micro singularities, specifically in the context of particle acceleration and their potential implications for energy sources and theoretical physics. Participants explore the feasibility of producing microscopic black holes in particle accelerators and the future of particle acceleration technology.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses curiosity about micro singularities and their potential as an alternative energy source, linking particle acceleration to future advancements in physics.
  • Another participant clarifies that micro singularities may refer to microscopic black holes and discusses the speculative nature of their production in particle accelerators, noting that current technology has not yet achieved this.
  • It is mentioned that even if microscopic black holes could be produced, they would decay and not serve as an energy source due to conservation of energy.
  • Participants discuss the limitations of current particle accelerators in testing string theory and mention concepts for larger accelerators, such as the FCC, which are still in the planning stages and lack funding.
  • One participant brings up Hawking radiation in relation to the decay of micro black holes, suggesting that this process occurs much more rapidly for them.
  • There is a discussion about the advantages of electron-positron colliders over proton-proton collisions, highlighting the cleaner initial state and the ability to reconstruct events more accurately in electron-positron collisions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of certainty about the existence and implications of micro singularities, with some agreeing on the speculative nature of their production and decay, while others raise questions about the advantages of different types of particle collisions. No consensus is reached on the potential for micro singularities as energy sources or the future of particle accelerators.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the speculative nature of the theories discussed, the dependence on future technological advancements for larger accelerators, and the unresolved implications of Hawking radiation on micro black holes.

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Hi please don't butcher me, I'm really not a crackpot...just not sure how to put this or were to post this...on particle acceleration...i have heard of things called micro singularities...are these real could they be used for an alternative energy source...really just curious it seems like particle accerlaeration is the way of the future...confiriming m theory and such...are there plans for any bigger ones...like for around the world...?
 
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Megaton said:
i have heard of things called micro singularities
I guess you mean microscopic black holes.

If some speculative theories are true, then we might be able to produce them in particle accelerators. Not at the energy the LHC can reach so far, however, otherwise we would have seen them by now.
Even if we can produce them, we can't use them as energy source. They decay, releasing exactly the energy we put into them via the collisions: Energy is conserved.
Megaton said:
it seems like particle accerlaeration is the way of the future...confiriming m theory and such
We cannot test string theory with current or any forseeable future accelerator.

Some Chinese groups think about building an accelerator a bit larger than the LHC, and there is the FCC concept, which would increase the energy by a factor 6-7 relative to the LHC. Both are without funding, and even if they get funded they are decades into the future. There are also proposals for new electron-positron colliders, at lower energy but with other advantages.
 
Yeah that decay because of Hawkins radiation...it applies to micro black holes as well, just much quicker eh...electron-positron colliders...that would be through annihilation I think...what advantages would that have?
 
Black holes produced in particle accelerators would always be microscopic black holes.

Electron-positron collisions give a cleaner initial state - you can reconstruct exactly what is going on. Proton-proton collisions produce tens of particles because protons have a complex substructure - you can’t reconstruct every single particle produced in these collisions.
Proton-proton collisions are great to discover new particles, while electron-positron collisions are typically better to study these particles in more detail.
 
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