Particle decay: Relativistic or classical?

Click For Summary
SUMMARY

The discussion centers on the application of classical and relativistic momentum conservation in a particle decay problem posed in a competitive exam in India. Participants debated the validity of classical momentum conservation given the high kinetic energies involved, specifically noting an initial energy of 3 GJ and a final energy of 10 GJ. The consensus indicates that the problem does not require relativistic corrections, as the energy distribution among the decay products was miscalculated, with one piece having 1 GJ instead of 2 GJ. The conclusion emphasizes that the problem's framing suggests classical mechanics rather than special relativity.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of classical momentum conservation principles
  • Familiarity with relativistic momentum and energy concepts
  • Knowledge of energy-mass equivalence (E=mc²)
  • Basic proficiency in solving physics problems involving energy and momentum
NEXT STEPS
  • Study classical momentum conservation in high-energy physics scenarios
  • Learn about relativistic corrections in particle decay problems
  • Explore energy-mass equivalence and its implications in particle physics
  • Investigate common pitfalls in competitive physics examinations
USEFUL FOR

Physics students, educators, and competitive exam candidates seeking to deepen their understanding of momentum conservation in both classical and relativistic contexts.

Isomorphism
Messages
8
Reaction score
1
IMG_0819.JPG
This question was asked in an competitive exam in India.

The relevant equations are momentum conservation in the classical sense and the 4 momentum conservation.

My attempt: Classical momentum conservation would seem inaccurate since the kinetic energies are high. However, a straightforward application of it yields option (a). I think it is wrong since we end up with more energy than we started with. Initial energy is 3GJ, but final energy is 10 GJ since C has 8GJ of energy.

I wanted to know how to solve it using special relativity. It looks like information about the masses is missing.(I know that I cannot use conservation of masses.) So I am wondering whether it is possible to solve this problem with relativistic corrections and whether the answer still remains 30 degrees.

Thanks,
 
Last edited:
Physics news on Phys.org
Isomorphism said:
The following question was asked in an competitive exam in India:https://www.physicsforums.com/attachments/108398

The relevant equations are momentum conservation in the classical sense and the 4 momentum conservation.

My attempt: Classical momentum conservation would seem inaccurate since the kinetic energies are high. However, a straightforward application of it yields option (a). I think it is wrong since we end up with more energy than we started with. Initial energy is 3GJ, but final energy is 10 GJ.

I wanted to know how to solve it using special relativity. It looks like information about the masses is missing.(I know that I cannot use conservation of masses.) So I am wondering whether it is possible to solve this problem with relativistic corrections and whether the answer still remains 30 degrees.

Thanks,

It's got nothing to do with Relativity. The piece that went off at right angles should have ##1 GJ## not ##2 GJ##.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: Isomorphism
How did you know that it is a classical momentum problem apriori?

The energies of the two pieces are 8GJ and 2GJ.

I have updated my original post.

PeroK said:
It's got nothing to do with Relativity. The piece that went off at right angles should have ##1 GJ## not ##2 GJ##.
 
Isomorphism said:
How did you know that it is a classical momentum problem apriori.

The energies of the two pieces are 8GJ and 2GJ.

If it was a SR problem, it would have said "relativistic velocity", not "high velocity".
 
Isomorphism said:
How did you know that it is a classical momentum problem apriori?
1 GJ might sound like a lot, but if you calculate the equivalent amount of mass, you find ##m = \frac{10^9}{(3\times10^8)^2}= 1.1\times 10^{-8}\text{ kg}.## The mass of the missile is many orders of magnitude above that.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: Isomorphism and PeroK
vela said:
1 GJ might sound like a lot, but if you calculate the equivalent amount of mass, you find ##m = \frac{10^9}{(3\times10^8)^2}= 1.1\times 10^{-8}\text{ kg}.## The mass of the missile is many orders of magnitude above that.

Or, if the missile had a mass of ##1 kg## then its velocity would be less than ##8 \times 10^4 m/s##
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: Isomorphism
Thanks for that clarification.

If it is classical, how has the total energy increased?
 
Isomorphism said:
Thanks for that clarification.

If it is classical, how has the total energy increased?

That would be a mistake in the question, as pointed out in post #2.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: Isomorphism

Similar threads

  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
1K
  • · Replies 25 ·
Replies
25
Views
3K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
Replies
10
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K
  • · Replies 33 ·
2
Replies
33
Views
5K
Replies
23
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
3K
Replies
10
Views
2K
Replies
2
Views
2K