Particle/dipole acceleration in non-uniform magnetic field

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The discussion revolves around the acceleration of charged particles and magnetic dipoles in non-uniform magnetic fields, exploring the implications of the Lorentz force law and the behavior of dipoles in varying magnetic environments. The scope includes theoretical considerations and conceptual clarifications regarding magnetic forces and their effects on particle motion.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether dipoles and charged particles actually accelerate in non-uniform magnetic fields, citing that the magnetic force is always perpendicular to the velocity of a charge.
  • Others argue that a charged particle with non-zero velocity will indeed accelerate in any magnetic field, provided the velocity and magnetic field are not parallel, according to the Lorentz force law.
  • Participants note that while the magnetic force is perpendicular, it can still result in acceleration, specifically centripetal acceleration.
  • There is a discussion about the role of non-uniform magnetic fields in particle accelerators and experiments like Stern-Gerlach, with some suggesting that they help control particle paths and distinguish between different dipole moments.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about whether the magnitude of velocity changes in the context of centripetal acceleration, later clarifying that there is acceleration but no change in speed.
  • Concerns are raised about the necessity of a non-uniform magnetic field for the deflection of dipoles, with some suggesting that a uniform field would not produce a force due to the absence of a gradient.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the nature of acceleration in non-uniform magnetic fields, with multiple competing views on the implications of the Lorentz force and the behavior of dipoles. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the necessity of non-uniform fields for certain experimental outcomes.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding assumptions about the nature of acceleration, the definitions of uniform versus non-uniform magnetic fields, and the specific conditions under which forces act on dipoles and charged particles.

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I've come across a few places that mention that dipoles and charged particles accelerate in non-uniform magnetic fields. Is this true? If the Magnetic force is always perpendicular to the velocity of a charge, I don't see why it would accelerate. I see it having centripetal acceleration with constant kinetic energy unless the centripetal acceleration is all that's needed for the charge to emit a photon. I also don't see a dipole would accelerate in a non-uniform magnetic field.
 
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A charged particle with some non-zero velocity will accelerate in any magnetic field as per the Lorentz force law, given that the velocity and magnetic field are not parallel. Simple as that.

As for magnetic dipoles, if we have an infinitesimal current loop with magnetic dipole moment ##\vec{m}## in a magnetic field ##\vec{B}## then it can be shown that it experiences a force ##\vec{F} = \vec{\nabla}(\vec{m}\cdot \vec{B})##. See problem 6.4 in Griffiths.
 
WannabeNewton said:
A charged particle with some non-zero velocity will accelerate in any magnetic field as per the Lorentz force law, given that the velocity and magnetic field are not parallel. Simple as that..

Except the Lorentz force law says that the magnetic force is \mathbf{F_{magnetic}} = q (\mathbf{v} \times \mathbf{B}) so the force is perpendicular and therefore no acceleration, unless you're simply referring to centripetal acceleration.

WannabeNewton said:
As for magnetic dipoles, if we have an infinitesimal current loop with magnetic dipole moment ##\vec{m}## in a magnetic field ##\vec{B}## then it can be shown that it experiences a force ##\vec{F} = \vec{\nabla}(\vec{m}\cdot \vec{B})##. See problem 6.4 in Griffiths.

I will check Griffiths. Also, what then is the advantage of a non-uniform magnetic field in particle accelerators or like that used in the Stern-Gerlach experiment? Simply to control the path better?
 
phy_infinite said:
Except the Lorentz force law says that the magnetic force is \mathbf{F_{magnetic}} = q (\mathbf{v} \times \mathbf{B}) so the force is perpendicular and therefore no acceleration, unless you're simply referring to centripetal acceleration.

The force being perpendicular to the velocity doesn't imply that there is no acceleration. A force always imparts an acceleration as per Newton's 2nd law. What makes you think centripetal acceleration is not an acceleration?

phy_infinite said:
I will check Griffiths. Also, what then is the advantage of a non-uniform magnetic field in particle accelerators or like that used in the Stern-Gerlach experiment? Simply to control the path better?

Well in the Stern-Gerlach experiment we need a non-uniform magnetic field in order for an interacting magnetic dipole to get deflected in a way that distinguishes between different dipole moments. Classically this goes back to that equation I wrote above: ##\vec{F} = \vec{\nabla}(\vec{m}\cdot \vec{B})## specialized to a constant dipole moment. See section 1.1 of Sakurai's QM text.
 
WannabeNewton said:
The force being perpendicular to the velocity doesn't imply that there is no acceleration. A force always imparts an acceleration as per Newton's 2nd law. What makes you think centripetal acceleration is not an acceleration?

I don't think my original question was asked well and I did imply that centripetal acceleration isn't acceleration. What I meant was that I wasn't sure if it was the magnitude of the velocity that changed since that's the most common context I've heard it in. OK, so yes there is an acceleration, just no change in speed.


WannabeNewton said:
Well in the Stern-Gerlach experiment we need a non-uniform magnetic field in order for an interacting magnetic dipole to get deflected. Classically this goes back to that equation I wrote above: ##\vec{F} = \vec{\nabla}(\vec{m}\cdot \vec{B})## specialized to a constant dipole moment. See section 1.1 of Sakurai.

Unfortunately, I don't have Sakurai. Although, if the force on the dipole is \vec{F} = \vec{\nabla}(\vec{m}\cdot \vec{B}) then it seems the dipole would be deflected whether the magnetic field was uniform or not.
 
phy_infinite said:
Unfortunately, I don't have Sakurai. Although, if the force on the dipole is \vec{F} = \vec{\nabla}(\vec{m}\cdot \vec{B}) then it seems the dipole would be deflected whether the magnetic field was uniform or not.

If the magnetic field is uniform then the gradient will vanish and there won't be a force.
 
WannabeNewton said:
If the magnetic field is uniform then the gradient will vanish and there won't be a force.

Oh of course, thanks for helping me clear that up.
 

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