Particle Disintegration: Equation trouble

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The discussion revolves around particle disintegration and involves equations relating to the angles and velocities of particles in different reference frames, specifically the Laboratory and Centre of Mass systems. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the derivation of a specific equation for the cosine of an angle.

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  • Participants discuss the validity of the initial equation in the context of relativistic effects and question the assumptions made about the angles and velocities involved. There is an exploration of algebraic manipulations and the relationships between the angles and velocities in different frames.

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Some participants have provided insights into the equations and suggested alternative approaches to derive the desired relationship. The original poster has indicated progress in understanding after engaging with the feedback, although the discussion remains open to further clarification.

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There is a mention of potential relativistic effects that may not have been accounted for in the original equations, which could impact the validity of the assumptions being made. The complexity of the algebra involved is also noted, as it requires careful manipulation of the equations.

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Hi, I'm reading about particle disintegration at the moment and there's a step I don't follow.

I've got the following equation:

[tex]\tan\theta=\frac{v_0\sin\theta_0}{v_0\cos\theta_0+V}[/tex] where [tex]\theta[/tex] is the resultant angle in the Laboratory system and [tex]\theta_0[/tex] is the resultant angle in the Centre of Mass system.

Also given is [tex]v=V+v_0[/tex] which are respectively the velocity of a resulting particle in the L system, the velocity of the primary particle in the L system, and the velocity of the resulting particle in the C system.

Solving for [tex]\cos\theta_0[/tex] one should obtain

[tex]\cos\theta_0=-\frac{V}{v_0}\sin^2\theta \pm \cos\theta\sqrt{1-\frac{V^2\sin^2\theta}{v_0^2}}[/tex]

but I've gotten [tex]\cos\theta_0=\frac{V}{v_0}(\cos\theta-1)+\cos\theta[/tex]

from the substitution [tex]\sin\theta_0=\sin\theta\left(\frac{V+v_0}{v_0}\right)[/tex] which seems geometrically sound.

Can anyone see where that other equation comes from for [tex]\cos\theta_0[/tex]?

Thanks.
 
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Are you sure the equation you started with applies to this situation? It's valid for non-relativistic cases, but particle decay typically involves relativistic speeds.
 
Yes, in the book, it follows on immediately, with no mention of relativistic effects.
I think it's just some algebraic reworking of the equation that I'm not seeing.
 
From the equation

[tex]\tan\theta=\frac{v_0\sin\theta_0}{v_0\cos\theta_0+V}[/tex]

I'm inferring that the angles are measured relative to the direction of V, the velocity of the primary particle in the lab frame. Your second equation from equating the y-components in the two frames is wrong. It should be

[tex]v_0\sin\theta_0=\sqrt{(v_0\cos\theta_0+V)^2+(v_0\sin\theta_0)^2}\sin\theta[/tex]

The equation relating the velocities should be

[tex]\vec{v}=\vec{v}_0+\vec{V}[/tex]

which is a vector equation, so you can't just add the magnitudes of v0 and V to get the magnitude of v.

To derive the other equation, start with the tan θ equation, square it, and rewrite sin2 θ0 in terms of cos θ0. You'll get a quadratic equation in cos θ0.
 
Excellent! I got it!

That was some marathon of a reworking - three pages and an hour later...

Thanks vela for your help. :)
 
Excellent! I got it!

That was some marathon of a reworking - three pages and an hour later...

Thanks vela for your help.
 

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