Particle in a conservative force field + SHM

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of a particle in a conservative force field and its relation to simple harmonic motion (SHM), particularly for small amplitudes. The original poster expresses curiosity about proving this relationship and describes their mathematical background.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to understand the conditions under which a conservative force field leads to SHM, questioning their ability to prove this due to their current mathematical tools. Other participants raise counterexamples and seek clarification on the nature of the forces involved, particularly regarding linearity and the definition of conservative forces.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the relationship between conservative forces and SHM. Some guidance is offered regarding the conditions needed for SHM, but there is no explicit consensus on the definitions or examples being discussed.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential constraints in their understanding of conservative forces and the mathematical tools available to them, as well as the need for specific conditions (like linearity) for SHM to occur.

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I read online in several places that any particle in motion in a conservative force field undergoes simple harmonic motion for small amplitudes.
I am attempting to prove this is true out of my own curiosity, but I don't know if I have the tools necessary to prove it. My math background is Calculus through half of multivariate, basic real analysis, and very simple differential equations (separation of variables).
Thanks in advance.

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I know that for a field to be conservative, [itex]F=\nabla f[/itex] for some f.
Also, a particle in simple harmonic motion must be expressible in the form:
[tex]E = \frac{\alpha}{2} q^{2} + \frac{\beta}{2} \dot{q}^{2}[/tex]
where [itex]\omega = \sqrt{\frac{\alpha}{\beta}}[/itex]

or
[tex]\ddot{x} + \omega^{2}x = 0[/tex]I have no idea how to proceed other than to solve some partial differential equations with unknown functions. Is there any easier way to prove this for the general case?
 
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This might not be the answer you may have hoped for. I wonder what sites told you that all conservative fields can produce an harmonic motion.
m00npirate said:
I read online in several places that any particle in motion in a conservative force field undergoes simple harmonic motion for small amplitudes.

As a counter example:
We have the potential function [tex]f=1x[/tex]
then the vector field will become [tex]F=\nabla f=1[/tex]

Good luck getting an harmonic oscillator out of such a vector field ;)
 
Perhaps they meant an attractive force? I'll try to find where I saw that again.

Edit: here's one
"The problem of the simple harmonic oscillator occurs frequently in physics because a mass at equilibrium under the influence of any conservative force, in the limit of small motions, will behave as a simple harmonic oscillator."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmonic_oscillator#Applications
I saw it in a textbook too on google books. I'll try to find it again.
 
All that it requires is for the force to be linear in x for sufficiently small x. Can anyone think of a conservative (attractive) force for which this would be untrue? I would try on my own but we haven't really covered exactly how to construct these in calc yet ><
 

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