Particle Motion in a Vertical Plane: Trajectory Equation & Curve

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The discussion centers around the motion of a particle in a vertical plane influenced by gravity and a force that is perpendicular to and proportional to its velocity. Participants are tasked with obtaining the equation of the trajectory and identifying the nature of the curve formed by this motion.

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  • One participant presents the problem of deriving the trajectory equation for a particle moving under specific forces.
  • Another participant questions the initial conditions, suggesting that at time t=0, the particle's position and velocity should be zero.
  • Several participants express a desire to understand the equations of motion related to the problem, indicating a need for clarification on the derivation process.
  • A reminder is issued regarding the proper posting format for solutions in the forum, indicating a focus on maintaining organization in discussions.

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There is no consensus on the trajectory equation or the initial conditions, as participants are still exploring the problem and seeking clarification on various aspects of the motion.

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Participants have not yet provided detailed derivations or solutions, and there may be missing assumptions regarding the forces acting on the particle and their implications on the trajectory.

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A particle moves in a vertical plane from rest under the influence of gravity
and a force perpendicular to and proportional to its velocity. Obtain the equation of the
trajectory, and identify the curve.
 
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Hint:

The equations of motion are:

\[m\ddot{y} = mg-k\dot{x},\: \: \: m\ddot{x} = k\dot{y}\]

One dot means a differentiation with respect to t (time): $\frac{dy}{dt} = \dot{y}.$
 
Suggested solution:

Assume the mass is dropped from $x=y=0$ at $t=0$. Let the $y$-axis be positive down. We then have:
(Force = k velocity and physics notation: $\dot{y} = \frac{dy}{dt}$)

\[m\ddot{y} = mg-k\dot{x},\: \: \: m\ddot{x} = k\dot{y}\]

Or
\[\ddot{y} = g-w\dot{x},\: \: \: \ddot{x} = w\dot{y},\: \: \: w = k/m.\]

Substituting gives: \[\frac{\mathrm{d}^2\dot{y} }{\mathrm{d} t^2} =-w^2\dot{y}\]

Or

\[\dot{y} = B \sin (wt)\Rightarrow y = -\frac{B}{w}\cos (wt)+\frac{B}{w} \\\\ \dot{x}=-B\cos (wt)+B \Rightarrow x = -\frac{B}{w} \sin (wt)+Bt\]
Substitution in original differential equation gives: $B = g/w$.

Finally

\[x = -\frac{g}{w^2} \sin (wt)+\frac{g}{w}t \\\\ y = -\frac{g}{w^2}\cos (wt)+\frac{g}{w^2}\]

These determine a cycloid produced by a wheel of radius $R = g/w^2$ rolling on the $x$-axis at speed $\frac{g}{w}$, where $w = k/m$.
 
lfdahl said:
A particle moves in a vertical plane from rest under the influence of gravity
and a force perpendicular to and proportional to its velocity. Obtain the equation of the
trajectory, and identify the curve.

Since the particle moves from rest shouldn't we have : at t=0 ,dy/dt=dx/dt=x=y=0 ??
 
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solakis said:
Since the particle moves from rest shouldn't we have : at t=0 ,dy/dt=dx/dt=x=y=0 ??
Yes, and as far as I can see, these conditions are fulfilled:

\[\dot{x}(0) = -\frac{g}{w}\cos (0)+\frac{g}{w} = 0 \\\\ \dot{y} = \frac{g}{w}\sin (0) =0\]

Likewise:

$x(0) = y(0) = 0$.
 
lfdahl said:
Hint:

The equations of motion are:

\[m\ddot{y} = mg-k\dot{x},\: \: \: m\ddot{x} = k\dot{y}\]

One dot means a differentiation with respect to t (time): $\frac{dy}{dt} = \dot{y}.$

I would like to know how you got the equations of motion ,if it is possible

Thanks
 
solakis said:
I would like to know how you got the equations of motion ,if it is possible

Thanks
The two only forces involved in the cycloid motion are the gravitational force, and a velocity dependent force.
The former is in our coordinate system simply:

\[\vec{F_g} = m\binom{0}{g}\]

The latter force is proportional to the particle velocity, $\vec{v}= \binom{\dot{x}}{\dot{y}}$, and perpendicular to it. Hence we have:

\[\boldsymbol{F}_v = -k \hat{\mathbf{v}} = -k\binom{-\dot{y}}{\dot{x}} = k\binom{\dot{y}}{-\dot{x}}\]

Using Newtons 2nd law:

\[\boldsymbol{F}_{res} = m\binom{\ddot{x}}{\ddot{y}} = \boldsymbol{F}_g + \boldsymbol{F}_v = m\binom{0}{g} +k\binom{\dot{y}}{-\dot{x}}\]

In component form:

\[m\ddot{x} = k\dot{y}\\\\ m\ddot{y} = mg - k \dot{x}\]
 
lfdahl said:
The two only forces involved in the cycloid motion are the gravitational force, and a velocity dependent force.
The former is in our coordinate system simply:

\[\vec{F_g} = m\binom{0}{g}\]

The latter force is proportional to the particle velocity, $\vec{v}= \binom{\dot{x}}{\dot{y}}$, and perpendicular to it. Hence we have:

\[\boldsymbol{F}_v = -k \hat{\mathbf{v}} = -k\binom{-\dot{y}}{\dot{x}} = k\binom{\dot{y}}{-\dot{x}}\]

Using Newtons 2nd law:

\[\boldsymbol{F}_{res} = m\binom{\ddot{x}}{\ddot{y}} = \boldsymbol{F}_g + \boldsymbol{F}_v = m\binom{0}{g} +k\binom{\dot{y}}{-\dot{x}}\]

In component form:

\[m\ddot{x} = k\dot{y}\\\\ m\ddot{y} = mg - k \dot{x}\]
Isn't the vector: ($$-k\dot y,k\dot x$$),also perpenticular to the particle velocity and proportional to it ??
 
Please post anything relating to the solution of a problem (in the Challenges forum) in [sp]...[/sp] tags. Thanks. :)
 
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solakis said:
Isn't the vector: ($$-k\dot y,k\dot x$$),also perpenticular to the particle velocity and proportional to it ??

Yes, this vector also fulfills the condition, and you can elaborate on the equations of motion with opposite signs for the velocity dependent force. You´ll see, that the y-component turns out to be the same as before. Only the x-component changes sign, i.e. the direction of motion would be from right to left starting in origo.
 
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lfdahl said:
Yes, this vector also fulfills the condition, and you can elaborate on the equations of motion with opposite signs for the velocity dependent force. You´ll see, that the y-component turns out to be the same as before. Only the x-component changes sign, i.e. the direction of motion would be from right to left starting in origo.

Thanks
I have done this already
 

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