Particle Number Operator (Hermitian?)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the properties of the particle number operator, specifically its hermiticity, as presented in the context of the quantum harmonic oscillator. Participants are exploring the mathematical proof and the underlying operator properties.

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  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the definition of the particle number operator, N = a+.a, and questions its hermiticity based on a proof from a textbook.
  • Another participant attempts to clarify the proof by restating the relationship between the operators, suggesting that the conjugate of N should equal N.
  • A participant expresses confusion regarding the transition in the proof, specifically questioning the application of the conjugate to the product of operators.
  • Another participant corrects the misunderstanding about the property of the conjugate of a product of operators, stating that it should be (AB)+ = B+ A+ instead of A+.B+.
  • A participant acknowledges their mistake in understanding the property of conjugates and thanks the others for the clarification.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit disagreement regarding the correct application of the properties of operators and their conjugates. The discussion remains unresolved as participants have not reached a consensus on the hermiticity of the particle number operator.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about operator properties and the specific definitions used, which may affect the conclusions drawn about hermiticity.

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Particle Number Operator (Hermitian??)

Hey guys,

I'm studying the quantic harmonic oscillator and I'm using "Cohen-Tannoudji Quantum Mechanics Volume 1".

At some point he introduced the particle number operator, N, such that:

N=a+.a , where a+ is the conjugate operator of a.

The line of proof that they used to show that N is hermitian is the following:

N+=a+.(a+)+=N , where N+ is the conjugate operator of N.

Somehow, in ways I cannot understand, this proves it.

But everytime I try and prove it myself I get to the conclusion that N is not hermitian.

Can someone be kind enough and help me with this :)

Thank you
 
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Mimb8 said:
The line of proof that they used to show that N is hermitian is the following:

N+=a+.(a+)+=N , where N+ is the conjugate operator of N.

Did you mean to write this? It should be N^+ = (a^+ a)+ = a+ (a+)+ = a+ a = N.
 
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Hi George,

I'm not sure I get the transition:

(a+. a)+=a+.(a+)+

Back me up here, if I have the operator (AB) and I apply the conjugate it gives me:

(AB)+=A+.B+

Right?

(I seem to be missing something really obvious here :s)
 
Mimb8 said:
(AB)+=A+.B+

No, (AB)+ = B+ A+
 
George Jones said:
No, (AB)+ = B+ A+


Oh...I seem to have misread that property (shame on me).

Thank you :)
 

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