[particle physices] pair production not possible in absence of matter?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of pair production in particle physics, specifically addressing the conditions under which it can occur, particularly in the absence of matter.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the conditions necessary for pair production, questioning the role of photons and matter in the process. There is an attempt to reconcile the idea of virtual pairs and real photons, along with discussions about energy and momentum conservation.

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Some participants are clarifying the original question and its implications, while others are reflecting on common misconceptions. Guidance has been offered regarding the distinction between virtual and real photons in the context of pair production.

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The discussion highlights the common nature of the question in homework settings and the assumptions made about the definitions of matter and energy in relation to pair production.

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Homework Statement


"Prove that pair production is not possible in the absence of matter."

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The Attempt at a Solution


First of all, I'll assume a photon is considered matter, cause two photons can create a pair.
Second: I thought pairs pop into and out of existence all the time, in the absence of matter (vacuum fluctuations). So I'll also assume they mean non-virtual pairs.

Okay: imagine a virtual pair popping into existence. If there isn't anything with energy/that can give off energy nearby (matter), nothing can pay for the virtual energy, thus the pair must annihilate.

That's my attempt... Maybe I'm missing the point? (it certainly feels like that)

Thank you.
 
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Yeah, you're missing the point. The question is asking you to explain why a single real photon of sufficient energy can't spontaneously decay (by itself) into, say, an electron-positron pair.
 
Huh? Okay I get that that is not possible (momentum and energy conservation), but can you please tell me how you got that that was the question? Why can we exclude two photons coming together to form a pair?
 
I've heard it before, even phrased exactly like that. It's a pretty common homework question in particle physics courses.

You can't exclude the possibility of two photons interacting to produce a pair, but I'd guess that pair production more typically occurs when a single photon is in the vicinity of matter.
 
Oh... okay then, thanks a lot :)
 

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