Path Integral & Quantum Mechanics: Beyond the Speed of Light?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the path integral interpretation of quantum mechanics and its implications regarding the speed of light as a limiting speed. Participants explore whether particles can take paths exceeding the speed of light within this framework, and how this relates to non-relativistic and relativistic quantum mechanics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that in the path integral interpretation, particles can take paths that exceed the speed of light, suggesting a very tiny probability for such occurrences.
  • Others argue that while non-relativistic quantum mechanics allows for non-zero amplitudes for paths exceeding light speed, this leads to inconsistencies when applying the theory correctly.
  • There is a discussion about the philosophical implications of the path integral approach, with some participants questioning whether particles actually traverse all possible paths or if this is merely a conceptual tool.
  • One participant raises a question about the use of path integrals in quantum field theory (QFT) and how they are presented as consistent with causality and special relativity (SR), despite being rooted in non-relativistic quantum mechanics.
  • Clarifications are made regarding terminology, such as the definition of partial differential equations (PDE) and their relation to the Schrödinger equation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of path integrals in relation to the speed of light, with no consensus reached on whether the path integral formulation can be reconciled with relativistic principles or if it remains fundamentally non-relativistic.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in understanding the relationship between path integrals and relativistic quantum mechanics, as well as the philosophical interpretations of the path integral approach. There are unresolved questions regarding the applicability of non-relativistic theories in contexts where relativistic effects are significant.

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In the path integral interpretation of quantum mechanics, it is said that a particle can take all sorts of paths, each with a certain probability. So, does this mean that there is also a very tiny probability, the particle can take paths which requires it to speed up more than the speed of light? Because I see nowhere in the formulation of path integral, that speed of light, is a limiting speed in its derivation.
 
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In non-relativistic quantum mechanics a particle has non-zero amplitudes to travel along paths that exceed the speed of light. In fact you could also form a wave packet that travels faster than light, but that would of course be using a non-relativistic theory in a way in which it does not give correct results anymore. If the wave packets represent slow particles, then in the path integrals the contribution to the propagator from those high speed paths becomes very small, and things make sense to some extent.

Relativistic quantum mechanics should be a different matter, but it is more confusing.

Few words of critisism on this
it is said that a particle can take all sorts of paths, each with a certain probability.
The path integral approach still uses wave functions like the SE approach does too. In path integrals the time evolution of the wave function is defined with a propagator (instead of a PDE), and the propagator is defined with a functional integral that sums the quantity [tex]e^{iS/\hbar}[/tex] over all possible paths. But it is not so clear that the particle actually went through all these paths. It is a some kind of philosophical interpretation of this all, but it is not the most important thing if you want to just calculate the time evolution of the wave function.
 
jostpuur said:
In non-relativistic quantum mechanics a particle has non-zero amplitudes to travel along paths that exceed the speed of light. In fact you could also form a wave packet that travels faster than light, but that would of course be using a non-relativistic theory in a way in which it does not give correct results anymore. If the wave packets represent slow particles, then in the path integrals the contribution to the propagator from those high speed paths becomes very small, and things make sense to some extent.

Relativistic quantum mechanics should be a different matter, but it is more confusing.

Few words of critisism on this

The path integral approach still uses wave functions like the SE approach does too. In path integrals the time evolution of the wave function is defined with a propagator (instead of a PDE), and the propagator is defined with a functional integral that sums the quantity [tex]e^{iS/\hbar}[/tex] over all possible paths. But it is not so clear that the particle actually went through all these paths. It is a some kind of philosophical interpretation of this all, but it is not the most important thing if you want to just calculate the time evolution of the wave function.

First off, what is PDE?
Secondly, we learn path integral during our quantum field theory class. And the prof just introduce the path integral, and after that, straight on to use it in QFT and show that it is consistent with causality and SR. If path integral is non-relativistic QM, how could the prof just use it like that ?
 
touqra said:
First off, what is PDE?
Secondly, we learn path integral during our quantum field theory class. And the prof just introduce the path integral, and after that, straight on to use it in QFT and show that it is consistent with causality and SR. If path integral is non-relativistic QM, how could the prof just use it like that ?

PDE means partial differential equation, and a Shrodinger's equation is an example of such.

If you were talking about path integrals in QFT, then my answer wasn't a best possible. You can also formulate non-relativistic quantum mechanics with path integrals, and I was talking about them.
 

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