Path integrals and propagators

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between path integrals and propagators in the context of the Schrödinger equation (SE). Participants explore the derivation of the propagator from the path integral formulation and the implications of using a semiclassical WKB approximation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the propagator equation derived from the SE and suggests that it can be obtained through path integrals, introducing a WKB approximation for evaluation.
  • Another participant points out a potential oversight regarding the dependence on variables x and x' in the presented equations.
  • A third participant notes that a question was implied but not explicitly stated in the previous posts.
  • One participant questions whether the propagator can be considered a Green's function, suggesting a distinction between the two terms.
  • Another participant asserts that "propagator" and "Green's function" are synonymous, indicating a lack of disagreement on this terminology.

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There is some disagreement regarding the relationship between propagators and Green's functions, with differing interpretations presented. Additionally, the clarity of questions posed in the discussion is contested, indicating a lack of consensus on communication.

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Participants express uncertainty about the exact evaluation of the path integral and its implications for the WKB approximation. There are also unresolved issues regarding the notation and dependencies in the equations presented.

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we know that for the SE equation we find the propagator

[tex](i\hbar \partial _{t} - \hbar ^{2} \nabla +V(x,y,z) )K(x,x')=\delta (x-x')[/tex]

with m=1/2 for simplicity

then we know that the propagator K(x,x') may be obtained from the evaluation of the Path integral.

[tex]K(x,x')=C \int \mathcal D[x] e^{iS[x]/\hbar}[/tex] (sum over all path X(t) )

my question is, since we can't know the evaluation of the path integral exactly, but give a WKB approach of this if we name the result of the path integral by [tex]K_{WKB}(x,x')[/tex].

then my question is if at least as an approximation this function satisfies.

[tex](i\hbar \partial _{t} - \hbar ^{2} \nabla +V(x,y,z) )K_{WKB}(x,x')=\delta (x-x')[/tex]

the notation WKB means that we have evaluated the propagator and so on in a semiclassical way.
 
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Klaus_Hoffmann said:
we know that for the SE equation we find the propagator

[tex](i\hbar \partial _{t} - \hbar ^{2} \nabla +V(x,y,z) )K(x,x')=\delta (x-x')[/tex]

with m=1/2 for simplicity

then we know that the propagator K(x,x') may be obtained from the evaluation of the Path integral.

[tex]K(x,x')=C \int \mathcal D[x] e^{iS[x]/\hbar}[/tex] (sum over all path X(t) )
you seem to have lost your x and x' dependence... at least on the RHS of the above equation
 
Klaus_Hoffmann said:
my question is, since we can't know the evaluation of the path integral exactly, but give a WKB approach of this if we name the result of the path integral by [tex]K_{WKB}(x,x')[/tex].

then my question is...

twice you said "my question is" but you never asked a question.
 
Klaus_Hoffmann said:
we know that for the SE equation we find the propagator

[tex](i\hbar \partial _{t} - \hbar ^{2} \nabla +V(x,y,z) )K(x,x')=\delta (x-x')[/tex]

with m=1/2 for simplicity

Isn't that K(x,x') a Green's function? I think the propagator is the 'operator inverse' of the Green's funciton.
 
no. "propagator" and "green's function" are synonymous.
 
Yeah I remember now, propagator = greens function = operator inverse of the field equation operator
 

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