PDE: How to use Fourier Series to express a real function?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the use of Fourier series to express real functions, focusing on the conditions that lead to real coefficients and the implications of orthogonality in sine functions. Participants explore the mathematical formulation and seek intuitive understanding of these concepts.

Discussion Character

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the exponents in the Fourier series do not go to zero when expressing a real function, despite the coefficients becoming real under the condition $$\overline{c_k} = c_{-k}$$.
  • Another participant asks for clarification on the implications of the exponent going to zero and the nature of real constants in this context.
  • A participant attempts to express the Fourier series using complex exponentials and notes confusion about how to combine these terms to achieve a real result.
  • One suggestion is made to rewrite the exponentials in terms of sine and cosine functions, highlighting the relationship between complex numbers and their conjugates.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty regarding the signs when combining terms and seeks to understand the error in their reasoning.
  • There is a mention of the exponential form of complex numbers and its relation to sine and cosine functions, indicating a connection to the orthogonality of sine functions.
  • One participant concludes that certain sine terms become irrelevant, suggesting a partial resolution to their earlier confusion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing levels of understanding regarding the implications of the Fourier series formulation and the nature of orthogonality, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple viewpoints presented.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the properties of complex numbers and their relationships to real functions are not fully explored, and there are unresolved mathematical steps in the manipulation of terms.

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actually have two questions:

here we have a Fourier series..
$$f(t) = \sum c_k e^{2\pi ikt}$$ (c is complex)
if we're trying to express a real function via Fourier series, and we do it the following way..

Impose condition: $$\overline{c_k} = c_{-k}$$

$$f(t) = \sum\limits_{k= -n}^n c_k e^{2\pi ikt}$$
then, although the constants would become real, wouldn't the exponents go to zero? why not?
could someone give me more of an intuitive understanding for the "orthogonality" of sine functions? i know the integral definition, but how exactly does this integral dictate what can & can't be expressed in terms of what (ie could you relate the integral definition to the classical sense of the word 'orthogonal')
 
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Maybe you should try and explain why the exponent would go to zero. Or why the constants become real for that matter. I don't understand you last paragraph.
 
(i accidentally left out the k)

actually.. you'd essentially be having this

$$c(u+iv)e^{2\pi i k t} +c(u-iv)e^{-2\pi i k t}$$ (since the condition above would imply k is part of v)

so i don't even know how you'd add the two to get a real anymore..
 
Try and write out the exponentials as cos and sin. Also complex number plus its conjugate is real.
 
$$c(u+iv)(cosg+ising)+ c(u-iv)(-cosg-ising) = (cosg+ising)(c(u+iv)-c(u-iv))$$

yes, but instead of a plus i get a minus, what'd i do wrong?
 
exp(-ix) = cos(x) - isin(x)
 
oops, okay and after that, since all the sin terms go to zero they're irrelevant. thanks
 

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