Pendulum Clock -- Change in frequency with change in temperature

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of a pendulum clock and how changes in temperature affect its frequency. Participants are trying to understand the implications of the clock needing to remain accurate to 1 second over a 24-hour period, and the reasoning behind the period of the pendulum being set to 24 hours.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are questioning the meaning of ΔP = 1 second and how it relates to the period of the pendulum being 24 hours. They are exploring the implications of these values and the reasoning behind them.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the assumptions regarding the pendulum's period and its accuracy. Some participants are attempting to clarify the relationship between the changes in period and the overall timekeeping accuracy of the clock. Others are discussing the nature of the pendulum and its physical properties.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering the implications of using the equation for a physical pendulum versus a simple pendulum, and how this might affect their understanding of the problem. There is also a mention of the moment of inertia and its relevance to the pendulum's behavior.

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Homework Statement
For this problem you can consider an ideal pendulum,
for which you will calculate the effect of changing its environment.


(d) Most substances expand with increasing temperature, and so a
metal rod will expand in length by a fraction α δT if the temperature is changed by δT, where α is called the coefficient of linear thermal expansion. Consider the effect of this expansion on a pendulum clock with a pendulum made from brass, with α = 19 × 10^-6 K^-1 .


What temperature change can this clock tolerate if it is to remain accurate to 1 second in 24 hours?
Relevant Equations
P=2π √(L/g)
1) I do not quite understand how the phrase remain accurate to 1 second in 24 hours? , means ΔP = 1 second,
2) I also don't understand how pendulum period P should be 24 hours
What is the reasoning for both?

The solution is as such

P = 2π √(L/g) P' = 2π √((L+L α δT)/g)

ΔP = P'- P = 2π √((L(1+ α δT)/g) - 2π √(L/g)

where 2π √(L/g) factored out from above to give :

ΔP = 2π √(L/g) ( (√(1+ α δT) - 1)
ΔP = P ( (√(1+ α δT) - 1)

ΔP = 1 sec (which I don't understand this part)
also P = 24 hours = 24*3600 secs ( which I don't understand how one pendulum period should be 24 hours?, I don't understand the reasoning behind this.)

ΔP/P = 1/24*3600
ΔP/P = P ( (√(1+ α δT) - 1) /P

√(1+ α δT) - 1 =1/24*3600

then the value for α can be plugged in and rearranged to find δT.
 
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Sarah0001 said:
ΔP = 1 sec (which I don't understand this part)
also P = 24 hours = 24*3600 secs ( which I don't understand how one pendulum period should be 24 hours?, I don't understand the reasoning behind this.)
Does it really say ΔP = 1 sec and P = 24 hours, or are you inferring that from:
Sarah0001 said:
ΔP/P = 1/24*3600
?
1 second in 24 hours is the fractional change in the clock rate, so is also the fractional change in the period.
 
Ah yes sorry, I was inferring ΔP = 1 sec and P = 24 hours from the solutions, I just don't understand how they reasoned this in the first place upon reading the question.

(I think this is because do not completely understand part of the question (if the pendulum clock to remain accurate to 1 second in 24 hours?' ) is asking. )
 
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Sarah0001 said:
Ah yes sorry, I was inferring ΔP = 1 sec and P = 24 hours from the solutions, I just don't understand how they reasoned this in the first place upon reading the question.
Suppose it should execute N periods in 24 hours. I.e. NP= 24 hours.
If the period has changed to P+ΔP then after N periods the elapsed time is N(P+ΔP). So NΔP= 1 second.
So ΔP/P=(NΔP)/(NP)=1 sec/ 24 hours.
 
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Hi.

I'm thinking the homework problem requires the equation for the period of a physical pendulum (Hint: moment of inertia of a rod about an axis through its end is I= 1/3ML^2). So don't use the equation for the period of the simple pendulum, as you stated in your work.

Perhaps by "ideal" the pendulum swings in a vacuum without the effect of friction, and has small amplitude swings, but is still a rod pendulum.

I hope that helps.
 
CPW said:
I'm thinking the homework problem requires the equation for the period of a physical pendulum
No, it changes nothing.
E.g. if the pendulum consists of a point mass M on the end of a uniform rod mass m, length L, the moment of inertia is still proportional to L2, and the torque at a given angle is still proportional to L.
 

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